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Failure condition for god
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 7, 2015 at 1:14 pm
(April 7, 2015 at 11:17 am)You_remember Wrote:
(April 5, 2015 at 1:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: This is a question aimed at theists mainly but feel free to kick my ass whoever.

Can you give an example of a failure condition for God? By that, I mean some situation, event, universal setup... anything, that would not be evidence for God in your opinion?

The reason I ask, is no matter what happens, no matter what the outcome of anything, it's heralded as evidence. But if there are no failure conditions, then you can show God exists whether he actually does, or not. Hopefully anyone who cares about truth can see the problem with that.
lmaooo dude I think ur agnostic today. prove that evidence is sound? and perfection is perfection? prove to me you are you ? knowledge was once a dot that grew bigger by ignorance. prove it tho !
Would you mind rephrasing, my good man? There seems to be a slight language barrier going on here.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 7, 2015 at 1:26 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:40 pm)robvalue Wrote: Iro: Sure, I don't think it is either. But a Christian can literally point to a tree and say it's evidence for God. I'm saying they have set the bar so low that it can't fail.

I'm asking them to show me there is a bar.

Not only is there no bar, there are no poles put up to support a bar. Anything/everything is evidence for gawd to the faithers.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 7, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: ...atheism?

Na I think the argument is that we need to exist so that we won't believe in him, or something...



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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 3:42 am
I'll give this one more push before letting it die. So far this experiment has shown that literally anything is evidence for god, but that no one can tell me what a different universe would be like that wasn't made by god.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 5:56 am (This post was last modified: April 10, 2015 at 5:57 am by Ben Davis. Edit Reason: Added picture )
(April 10, 2015 at 3:42 am)robvalue Wrote: I'll give this one more push before letting it die. So far this experiment has shown that literally anything is evidence for god, but that no one can tell me what a different universe would be like that wasn't made by god.

Like this?

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Or this?

[Image: 600px-CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg]
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 10:26 am
The failure condition is that causes become divorced from there effects and the universe collapses into nothingness.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 11:45 am
So you are saying God is required for any cause and effect link, and also the universe would collapse without God?

What is your reasoning for this please?
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 3:47 pm
(April 10, 2015 at 10:26 am)Mezmo! Wrote: The failure condition is that causes become divorced from there effects  and the universe collapses into nothingness.

Pretty sure the universe is doing well without god also there is things in the universe that is older than the universe itself. 
The Methuselah star appears to be older than the universe and i very well may be older. One other thing the universe is on the
verge of collapsing so yeah were does a god fit into any of this??? it doesn't. 
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 10, 2015 at 6:04 pm
(April 10, 2015 at 11:45 am)robvalue Wrote: So you are saying God is required for any cause and effect link, and also the universe would collapse without God?

What is your reasoning for this please?

It is as The Philosopher and The Doctor Angelicus says, ""blah blah blah blah."
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 11, 2015 at 2:45 am
But if our universe requires something external to keep it from imploding or having no cause and effect, then what is keeping God and whatever reality he is in from imploding and having no cause and effect? That requires another external controller of some sort, yes?
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