(April 15, 2015 at 7:31 am)alpha male Wrote:

(April 14, 2015 at 11:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: Stop defending big business. I hate that shit. Business owners would not be rich without the workers.

And workers would not have jobs without business owners.

My boss (the owner) bills clients $200 for an hour of my work. I get $80 of that. Of the $120 difference, about half goes to overhead, and half goes to making him rich. And why shouldn't it? He has to go to all the trouble of finding clients and keeping the business running. He goes on vacation and still thinks constantly about his business, and ends up answering emails a couple hours a day anyway. OTOH, when I leave for the weekend, I leave completely.

Oh boo hoo. Don't care. No one is talking about a boss not making more. But please don't expect me to cry for someone who is lucky enough to be in the position of owning a business. He still is not the entire workforce and DOES NOT do the bulk of the work. Business owners are ultimately bean counters and Quarterbacks, but if they are ethical they recognize they are still one part of that team. 

If you cant afford to pay livable wages for your workers then maybe you shouldn't be in business.

If you can't live off your wages maybe you should get a second job, a roommate, etc.

(April 15, 2015 at 7:59 am)alpha male Wrote: If you can't live off your wages maybe you should get a second job, a roommate, etc.

Fuck you, that is the problem with America right there. I am fucking tired of this bullshit that it is a crime to have a life outside of work. The issue is not work itself, the issue is PAY GAP. We had 30 years of "trickle down" and all that does is suck the money up to the top.

You tell me why workers should not have a say? Who the fuck do you think you are seriously? Now will you shut the fuck up if I show you rich people who agree with me that pay is not keeping up with the cost of living? Your bullshit isn't about worker productivity, it is the same old bullshit GOP line that is justifying indentured slavery.

Billionaire Nick Hanauer says to his own class workers are not making enough. 

https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanauer_b...anguage=en



Now here is a CEO who if most of the country thought like him, America would NOT be in our current mess. Instead we have asshole companies like Walmart and greedy fucks like the Koch brothers monopolizing our economy. Now if this CEO can do the right thing and value workers there is no fucking excuse. Do not demonize the people that make the rich rich and do the bulk of the work. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14...61676.html

There is more than one class in this country and it is way past time the top fucking accept they do not have the right to dictate to the rest of us. 

If you want to justify slave wages and increase poverty and become a third world sweat shop country, you can. I wont. Now, I could give one fuck less what you think of me personally or this post. But those links above are messages from successful business owners who understand we as a collective society cannot keep exploding the pay gap. 

Concerning the OP, I've heard that it's considered a good thing to fall asleep at work in Japan as it means that you've been working really hard. Maybe it was China, I can't remember.

(April 15, 2015 at 11:27 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Concerning the OP, I've heard that it's considered a good thing to fall asleep at work in Japan as it means that you've been working really hard. Maybe it was China, I can't remember.

I hate that term "hard work", that is a load of bullshit. If "hard work" were the only goal for humans then why do we invent things? It is much harder to cross the country on foot or horse than it is to use a car. It is harder to cross the ocean on a ship with sails only than to fly accross it in a jet. It was harder to use the pony express than using e mail today.
 
There is a huge difference in an economy that exploits for profit that hurts workers stability, and productivity which is constructive. Work should be easy, not hard. When work is easy it is positive stress and allows more focus and productivity. The kind of "hard work" the top promotes is merely code for the real welfare queens corporate America which creates more instability for workers which thrives on cheap labor.

Japan has three classes and poor people too, what they do not have however is our pay gap and their education is far better.

(April 15, 2015 at 7:31 am)alpha male Wrote:

(April 14, 2015 at 11:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: Stop defending big business. I hate that shit. Business owners would not be rich without the workers.

And workers would not have jobs without business owners.

My boss (the owner) bills clients $200 for an hour of my work. I get $80 of that. Of the $120 difference, about half goes to overhead, and half goes to making him rich. And why shouldn't it? He has to go to all the trouble of finding clients and keeping the business running. He goes on vacation and still thinks constantly about his business, and ends up answering emails a couple hours a day anyway. OTOH, when I leave for the weekend, I leave completely.

Brian would like to take all the reward out of entrepreneurship and follow the North Korean economic model.

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(April 15, 2015 at 7:59 am)alpha male Wrote: If you can't live off your wages maybe you should get a second job, a roommate, etc.

This.

The Squirrel has to work until his nut is made.  If he doesn't make his nut in 8 hours(or less)...he works overtime or dies.  It only makes sense that humans are entitled to an 8 hour work day if there is a God who designed it that way.

Brian should become a theist because he assumes humans are entitled to things only God can give them.

(April 15, 2015 at 10:15 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 15, 2015 at 7:59 am)alpha male Wrote: If you can't live off your wages maybe you should get a second job, a roommate, etc.

Fuck you, that is the problem with America right there. I am fucking tired of this bullshit that it is a crime to have a life outside of work. The issue is not work itself, the issue is PAY GAP. We had 30 years of "trickle down" and all that does is suck the money up to the top.

You tell me why workers should not have a say? Who the fuck do you think you are seriously? Now will you shut the fuck up if I show you rich people who agree with me that pay is not keeping up with the cost of living? Your bullshit isn't about worker productivity, it is the same old bullshit GOP line that is justifying indentured slavery.

Billionaire Nick Hanauer says to his own class workers are not making enough. 

https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanauer_b...anguage=en



Now here is a CEO who if most of the country thought like him, America would NOT be in our current mess. Instead we have asshole companies like Walmart and greedy fucks like the Koch brothers monopolizing our economy. Now if this CEO can do the right thing and value workers there is no fucking excuse. Do not demonize the people that make the rich rich and do the bulk of the work. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14...61676.html

There is more than one class in this country and it is way past time the top fucking accept they do not have the right to dictate to the rest of us. 

If you want to justify slave wages and increase poverty and become a third world sweat shop country, you can. I wont. Now, I could give one fuck less what you think of me personally or this post. But those links above are messages from successful business owners who understand we as a collective society cannot keep exploding the pay gap. 

So go work for one of them.

(April 15, 2015 at 12:11 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(April 15, 2015 at 7:31 am)alpha male Wrote: And workers would not have jobs without business owners.

My boss (the owner) bills clients $200 for an hour of my work. I get $80 of that. Of the $120 difference, about half goes to overhead, and half goes to making him rich. And why shouldn't it? He has to go to all the trouble of finding clients and keeping the business running. He goes on vacation and still thinks constantly about his business, and ends up answering emails a couple hours a day anyway. OTOH, when I leave for the weekend, I leave completely.

Brian would like to take all the reward out of entrepreneurship and follow the North Korean economic model.

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(April 15, 2015 at 7:59 am)alpha male Wrote: If you can't live off your wages maybe you should get a second job, a roommate, etc.

This.

The Squirrel has to work until his nut is made.  If he doesn't make his nut in 8 hours(or less)...he works overtime or dies.  It only makes sense that humans are entitled to an 8 hour work day if there is a God who designed it that way.

Brian should become a theist because he assumes humans are entitled to things only God can give them.

Oh fucking knock it off, your bullshit cold war talking points is bullshit.

Sorry it bothers you that liberals can and do value an open market. No sane western voter I would call sane wants America to become Cuba or North Korea. You are simply getting pissy because other people vote.

Oh and for your information, "capitalism" is NOT a form of government. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. The Saudi Royal family are BILLIONAIRES who own oil companies and invest in bank and weapons stock. And I have no doubt that Un's family has stock in the global market too.

I have run into idiot atheists who stupidly think you can rid a planet of 7 billion of the private sector and support assholes like Che, who lead to Cuba. I am not one of them.

Nope, that line is not working anymore. Saying the pay gap is hurting us, and pointing to the real welfare queens is not a call to end the open market. Did you click on those links? Not asking you to take my word for it. I gave you two successful business owners who would be just as against North Korea's closed system as you. If rich people are telling other rich people they are doing it wrong, you have no case.

Class monopolies are just as bad as political or religious monopolies. And all power requires income to create those powers which can lead to monopolies and abuse of power. 

You cold war bullshit wont work anymore. No one is out to get you dumbass. But only an idiot thinks our current climate and exploding pay gap is good.

(April 15, 2015 at 7:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: If you cant afford to pay livable wages for your workers then maybe you shouldn't be in business.

If you can't earn a living then maybe you shouldn't be living.

The statement I wrote above is every bit as valid as the statement you wrote above......unless of course you are a theist who believes that God designed it so that every human being is entitled to a living wage.  As an atheist you should take the position there is no reason whatsoever a godless world should be set up so that human beings are entitled to a living wage.  

(April 15, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(April 15, 2015 at 7:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: If you cant afford to pay livable wages for your workers then maybe you shouldn't be in business.

If you can't earn a living then maybe you shouldn't be living.

The statement I wrote above is every bit as valid as the statement you wrote above......unless of course you are a theist who believes that God designed it so that every human being is entitled to a living wage.  As an atheist you should take the position there is no reason whatsoever a godless world should be set up so that human beings are entitled to a living wage.  

That is the GOP line not mine. I don't see the poor or unemployed as trash to be thrown out. I don't see humans as tools. 

The irony is that Christians love to tout the NT Jesus as compassionate which would mean if I did believe in that god I would be more of a Christian than you are.

You show me in any post in my history here where I said to get rid of the private sector. You show me where in any post ever here I said to get rid of the classes. You will not find me ever saying that.

Now again, you show yourself to be a smug selfish narcissist when I show you WEALTH I can value. WEALTH I see as productive. Business owners who value an open market who agree with me, not you.

If "fuck you I got mine" economics worked no one would be bitching. And when you have rich people, as I linked above as accepting the pay gap as the problem, again, you have no case. You are simply a whiny crybaby because others are seeing through the lies.

1. No sane person should ever think it is practical to rid the entire planet of the private sector.
2. No one I consider sane hates all wealth.
3. Humans are not tools to be used
4. Workers deserve a say
5. Workers have as much right to vote as business owners.
6. No one is out to get you you fucking crybaby.

"We" does not mean you and what you want. Get the fuck over yourself.