(June 14, 2015 at 8:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 11:48 am)Chad32 Wrote: Hitler. That guy from Germany with the concentration camps. Also started world war II. Not that jews were the only people he killed.

Please don't tell me you've never heard of people beng killed for heresy or apostasy, or I'll have to believe you're being willfully ignorant or dishonest.

Hitler was a big fan of Nietzsche. That was the influence that led to the Holocaust.

Is that like iron chariots when it comes to the protection that a personal god should give to his followers? I believe that was my earlier point. If I'm going to dedicate my life to someone, he should give me a blessed life. But apparently people who read Nietzsche can keep god from stopping them from killing his followers.

(June 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 8:34 pm)Iroscato Wrote: I do, for one. An emotional part of me wishes there was some evidence of a higher power, just so that the question of where this universe came from was answered (before we even get into the problem of where the creator came from).
I also did struggle for a while with what faith I had as a child, before I realised the utter lack of evidence meant I could no longer simply have blind faith. That was before I reached double figures, I struggle to think how grown-ass adults still do it daily.

Adults don't have blind faith. They have an informed faith.

You should, too.

Yeah...unfortunately my low tolerance for bullshit keeps getting in the way.

(June 14, 2015 at 8:37 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You've made it clear that you worship the god of the Bible. The crimes I've listed are drawn from that.

Or are you now going to disavow the Bible wholly or in part?

Be specific.  Do not shilly-shally, because I will be hammering you with the above quote every single time you cite the Bible in any argument, otherwise.

Parkers, I have no idea what your personal issues are but what you believe to be hammering is simply iron strengthening iron. So, hammer away at me all you like.

I disavow nothing (beyond Genesis 3 anyway, and even then I'd want to discuss each point specifically).

God has committed no crimes.

Man, you must spend a lot of time reading crappy books, Parkers. Why not take a look at the one I recommended? At least you will be able to argue against what Christians REALLY believe about God and not the strawmen you set up, okay?

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(June 14, 2015 at 8:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Hitler was a big fan of Nietzsche. That was the influence that led to the Holocaust.

You're wrong about this, as well. Hitler's anti-Semitism was drawn largely from Wagner and Hitler's friendship with his widow, as well as the anti-Semitism that had percolated throughout Central Europe since before the time of Luther -- an anti-Semitism that your sect happily supported for centuries -- imbibed during his homeless years in Vienna. The influence Nietzsche had on Hitler was not regarding anti-Semitism, but rather, the idea of the Hero, one who did what was best for his people without regard to other populations.

You saw the photo.

Hitler visited the Weimar Nietzsche because he had read Nietzsche and admired him. The Aryan race was a twisted version of Nietzsche's "superman". Hitler understood with chilling clarity the moral implications of a Nietzschean world without God. Once he had attained power, he created the concentration camps to implement the Darwinian law of nature that would bring about the elimination of the unfit and the creation of a civilization that was fit for the master race.

So, yeah, Hitler's "final solution" was all about doing "what was best for his people without regard to other populations." and the connection is obvious.

Nietzsche > Hitler > Auschwitz

But noooo...according to the stuff I'm told in the "Why Be Good?" thread, atheism (and the death of God) has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

I guess Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot (to name a few) just weren't as evolved as the rest of you.

(June 14, 2015 at 8:32 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Hitler was a big fan of Nietzsche. That was the influence that led to the Holocaust.

He was also a big fan of that Catholic priest turned anti-Semite Martin Luther whose influence on Germany fueled the racist and gruesome treatment of Jews. And unlike with Nietzsche, nobody had to grossly misunderstand Luther's writings to use them in support of Nazi fascism.

(June 14, 2015 at 8:56 pm)Nestor Wrote: Nature is what mortals call God.

Which is why I am an atheist, and also why you are a theist.

Because I'm an immortal? Woo-hoo!

(June 14, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Adults don't have blind faith. They have an informed faith.

You should, too.

Yeah...unfortunately my low tolerance for bullshit keeps getting in the way.

So does that presupposition.

(June 14, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(June 14, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Gee, most people are willing to settle for gas money mysteriously found in their seat cushions.     

Apparently, many people are.  I just figure the money dropped out of my pockets, but that's just me.

Ah, but Jenny, don't you see it? God planned for you to drop the money out of your pocket without realizing it so that you would find it later.

Simple, huh?