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**rexbeccarox** · June 16, 2015 at 1:48 am

(June 16, 2015 at 1:43 am)Kitan Wrote: Oh, changing the color of the text somehow makes your stupidity more relevant?

Hey- let's be nice. Catholic_Lady has been very respectful in this thread. At least she asks us questions instead of telling us what we think or believe.

**Foxaèr** · June 16, 2015 at 1:49 am

I have to agree with the Rhythm of my heart.

If god can so easily command the desecration of whole populations, not once, but multiple times, then how can such a being be trusted for determining our well being as a society today, especially considering that he has made no intrusion in times when society is most likely worse than it ever was before.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 1:51 am by The Grand Nudger.)

No, not mentally ill...it was gods will. If you imply that others are mentally ill for referring to gods will as justification....I can just as easily imply that -you- are mentally ill for doing the exact same thing. I guess we're both just lucky that you haven't heard that voice..yet?

If it's our job to determine objective morality, you're failing at it (and it's more than a little bit of doublespeak to say that it's our job to determine objective morality, but not to judge...you've been telling me these guys were wrong quite alot, you know).

Catholic_Lady · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 1:53 am by Catholic_Lady.)

(June 16, 2015 at 1:18 am)Rhythm Wrote: Can life not be sacred to me as well? Can I not agree that hurting sacred things is wrong? Seems to me that I can, and it seems to me that I can do so while conceding the simple fact that this is my subjective appraisal of morality?

(by the by, there are no levels...life isn't a video game)

Of course you can believe those things. And you should! Smile

But I just don't understand how you come to the definitive conclusion that something is sacred, that's all. But I fully believe that you can think so.

(So just to clarify, you believe that the life of a plant or that of a bird has as much dignity and sacredness as the life of a human being? If so, how do you reconcile pulling weeds to make your yard look nicer or killing a chicken so you can enjoy a tastier alternative to tofu?)

(June 16, 2015 at 1:18 am)Kitan Wrote: Life is life because it has nothing to do with anything except making it what it is for ourselves.

... I don't get it Undecided

**Foxaèr** · June 16, 2015 at 1:55 am

(June 16, 2015 at 1:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ... I don't get it

Of course you don't.

Catholic_Lady · June 16, 2015 at 1:56 am

(June 16, 2015 at 1:24 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's fine, how would you know what nitwits have been up to on our boards in the past, amiright..lol? Only cautioning, as I understand that it's not entirely their own fault, as it would not be yours. They've been lied to by people they trust both about what is, and about what other people are or believe, or think, or justify their actions with (even what they -can- justify their actions or opinions with). That you've even asked this question is, frankly, ludicrous...and deeply insulting. You don't actually need any of us to find the answer...you're perfectly capable.

After all, you're doing morality the same way that we are.

I am sorry, I didn't mean to insult any of you. Just curious to know your thoughts/reasonings in regards to morality because I enjoy these types of discussions.

**Foxaèr** · June 16, 2015 at 1:57 am

Whaaa?

**The Grand Nudger** · June 16, 2015 at 1:57 am

I'm worried that you'll enjoy them less and less as your catholicism unravels itself aside, for example, my anti-theism.

Catholic_Lady · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 1:59 am by Catholic_Lady.)

(June 16, 2015 at 1:29 am)Kitan Wrote:
(June 16, 2015 at 1:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: All I can do is try to do my best with what I know. I'm not saying those folks were evil for believing what they did. They just weren't perfect and didn't have as much information as us "after Christ" people do.

Like I said, I don't believe any of the men in those stories actually existed. At least not in the way they were portrayed.

We do have as much information as you do.

Most of us, if not all, have read the bible. Reading it is precisely what made us become atheists.

Reading comprehension is not for everyone, especially not for those who continue to believe that the bible is in any form the true word of god.

I was referring to the people in the Old Testament before Christ came. And I will agree that the bible, while important, is still not the end all be all.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 2:00 am by The Grand Nudger.)

The people "before christ" had as much info about god as those "after christ"....the same amount of info as you and I have, plainly speaking, the specific amount of that information agressively approaches zero. You don;t have a -better- understanding of the divine will, you have a -different- understanding of the divine will. Personally, I like your understanding better.

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