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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 8:52 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: And if rape were indeed an effective way to reproduce with a human community, and morality came from evolution, the rape would not be immoral, would it?
Quote:In a tribal style of society, how many women who get pregnant from a rape are actually willing to nurture that baby?
How many would try to get an abortion that could also end up killing themselves? Doesn't look so great as an effective way to reproduce, huh?
This is what I thought when I read Randy's comment about rape. Abortion and infanticide have been around a long time. Using rape to increase the human species is inefficient as mothers are the ones who have to actually give birth and care for the child that they are carrying. It is actually more logical to make certain that the future mother wants an infant so she will take care of it.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 8:58 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 7:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote: In the U.S. about one in five victims of sexual abuse by a priest is female.
So, 80% are male?
Well, that's what I've been saying all along.
If you want to know why the young victims are mostly young boys, I have one word for you: access.
Pedophilia and homosexuality are not the same thing.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 8:58 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 7:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: [quote='Nope' pid='967382' dateline='1434582808']
Catholic_Lady, I have really enjoyed the discussion with you. Hopefully this thread isn't about to become less pleasant.
Quote:Apparently, if I had a really hot photo for my avatar, everyone would be nicer to me.
I am a female, for the record but thank you for alerting me to the fact that CL's 'hot' avatar is causing me to be polite. Weirdly enough, I thought it was because she was respectful. I wouldn't treat her any differently no matter how she looked.
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June 17, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Quote:You have to listen carefully to what I'm saying.
MORE boys than women or girls have been abused. The "pedophile priest" problem is primarily a homosexual problem.
Homosexuality is NOT pedophilia anymore than a man having sex with a three year old girl is straight sex. They are different things. Some people are attracted to sexually undeveloped children and those people are pedophiles. If a man is attracted to a man then he is a homosexual.
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June 17, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Randy,
Just for the record, I don't think priests are more likely rapists than the general population. There's evidence that they are actually less likely to rape boys (or anyone else) than other men. (That's kind of interesting if you consider that there are a higher percentage of homosexuals in the Catholic clergy than there are in the general population.) What bothers me, and a goodly number of Catholics too, is that the church repeatedly not only did not report rape to the police, but put those raping priests right back out there with young boys in new communities.
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June 17, 2015 at 9:27 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm)whateverist Wrote: The issue isn't really the moral failing of priests or whether they are straight or gay, pedaphilic or ephebophilic or even milf hunters. The real issue is the manner in which the institutional leaders of the church protect offenders, facilitate their continued abuse and seek to cover the whole thing up. Scapegoating the gay priests isn't helpful, Randy.
I agree with you regarding the Bishops who did not take action, and I have said so repeatedly in other threads.
However, I'm not scapegoating. I'm simply pointing out that the error was in allowing homosexuals into the priesthood.
The Church meant well...wanted to minister to these men...and this is what came of it.
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm
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Hahahaha, shamelessness is a valuable career skill for shills like yourself, huh?
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm)whateverist Wrote: Not on us. He should consider his audience.
That has occurred to me. ![[Image: hmmm.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=forums.catholic.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fani%2Fhmmm.gif)
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 9:29 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 8:52 pm)Nope Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: And if rape were indeed an effective way to reproduce with a human community, and morality came from evolution, the rape would not be immoral, would it?
Quote:In a tribal style of society, how many women who get pregnant from a rape are actually willing to nurture that baby?
How many would try to get an abortion that could also end up killing themselves? Doesn't look so great as an effective way to reproduce, huh?
This is what I thought when I read Randy's comment about rape. Abortion and infanticide have been around a long time. Using rape to increase the human species is inefficient as mothers are the ones who have to actually give birth and care for the child that they are carrying. It is actually more logical to make certain that the future mother wants an infant so she will take care of it.
Please not the "if" in the first sentence. It's obviously a hypothetical...
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RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 9:32 pm
(June 17, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (June 17, 2015 at 7:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: So, 80% are male?
Well, that's what I've been saying all along.
If you want to know why the young victims are mostly young boys, I have one word for you: access.
Pedophilia and homosexuality are not the same thing.
Correct. Most victims were young men.
And I saw what you wrote the first time, thanks.
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