(June 22, 2015 at 12:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh for the love of all that's human, I wasn't mocking you! If anything, I was mocking the Catholic church's unfortunate reputation for being in the news for all the wrong reasons.

CL, if we're going to have any hope of a grown-up discussion, you're going to have to switch off your martyr chip. Not everything is a goddamn personal attack on you.  

Fair enough, I apologize.

Since the faith is so close to my heart, I feel as though if you mock my faith while addressing me, you are mocking me. But I see now that you did not mean it that way. It is hard not to take it personal when it's something so close to me.

My apologies.

(June 22, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 22, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: It's wrong TO YOU. But not TO HIM. That it's wrong is YOUR OPINION. SUBJECTIVE. See?

Lol yes, I get that you think it's subjective. I just disagree. That's all there is to it at this point.

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(June 22, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You want a prophecy with that?

I think I can hazard a wild guess of my own, but if you like... -_-

(June 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 22, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yeah - it was a joke.

I figured you were just trying to mock me, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and to always act as though I assume the best of everyone.

Oh Jeebus Crisp.

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(June 22, 2015 at 12:26 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

Lol, trust me I know exactly how you feel.

Lol??  This is a laughing matter to you?  We're talking about rape and murder and horrible things in general, and you see fit to lol?

Quote:Truth is Becca, you and I just disagree on the anatomy of the whole thing. You see objective acts and personal culpability as being one, indistinguishable thing. I see them as being 2 separate things. Which makes sense, because I believe in God, and you don't.

"Objective acts"?  What does that even mean?

Quote:At the end of the day, we were both able to come to the same conclusion about the woman in your story... which is really all that matters as far as we're concerned. The conclusion being that she should be found innocent of the crime of murder, and that her culpability is eliminated.

The "woman in [my] story" was my piano teacher for years; I spent a lot of time with her little boy, and I knew her husband fairly well.  My parents played Bridge with them, and when she left the hospital after two years (she wasn't found "innocent", rather "guilty but mentally ill"), she went to amusement parks and lunches and parties with us. How do you feel about your glib responses?  Are they objectively moral?

(June 22, 2015 at 12:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Is it objectively wrong to push a knife deliberately into the body of another person?

Not if you are a surgeon.

(June 22, 2015 at 12:43 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(June 22, 2015 at 12:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: defined by a person =/= created by God

Remember when I said I believe morality was created by God?

Remember, I do not believe God is a person. Perhaps the word defined was not the best word for me to use. Created would be much more accurate.

'Created' is irrelevant. Does god have a mind? A point of view? An opinion?  That means subjective.

How do you know you're right?
said the Little Prince, because he never let go of a question if he asked it.

Ignoring things won't make them go away....especially if those things are me

I am sorry, Neim, I did not mean to ignore you. The question of "how do I know I'm right" would basically be the same question as "why do I believe in Christianity," Which is all that is comes down to. This has been covered already in this thread. It is long and difficult to put into words. But Randy did a good job of it. His posts about it represent my sentiments as well.

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Quote:I understand this. My question was, would the boy be more prone to suicide if his offender is behind bars for life verses if he was dead?

If so, do you support the death penalty for child molesters?

I don't support death penalty for anybody. Does it matter? It wouldn't make a difference.

I agree. That's what I was asking Nope.

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(June 22, 2015 at 12:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Is it objectively wrong to push a knife deliberately into the body of another person?

The isolated act of pushing a knife into someone? No. :-)

Because as someone pointed out, it could be a medical procedure to save/improve the life of another person.

I'd like an answer for this, please.

(June 22, 2015 at 12:32 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I just thought of something:  what do you call someone who impregnates a woman without her consent?

(June 22, 2015 at 12:57 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(June 22, 2015 at 12:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Is it objectively wrong to push a knife deliberately into the body of another person?

Not if you are a surgeon.

You found the punchline.

(June 22, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I am sorry, Neim, I did not mean to ignore you. The question of "how do I know I'm right" would basically be the same question as "why do I believe in Christianity," Which is all that is comes down to. This has been covered already in this thread. It is long and difficult to put into words. But Randy did a good job of it. His posts about it represent my sentiments as well.

It's very easy to put into words. You don't know. You believe.

Those aren't the same questions.

I don't feel like digging through 150 pages to find 'because bible'.

(June 22, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 22, 2015 at 12:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Is it objectively wrong to push a knife deliberately into the body of another person?

The isolated act of pushing a knife into someone? No. :-)

Because as someone pointed out, it could be a medical procedure to save/improve the life of another person.

Thanks for addressing the question, even if the punchline was a bit premature. The fact that you felt the need to add a qualifier tells me that, as with the murder thing, you do recognise that there are actions which are context-driven - hence, relative.