(June 24, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Nope Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Rape is wrong

And to be clear, you believe a husband can rape his wife?

Yes.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Pick up sticks on the Sabbath?  Death penalty.

Rape a woman?  Pay her dad and marry her.

What should I be giving God kudos for again?

I don't have the same understanding as Randy in regards to the OT, but I think what he's saying is that God was putting Himself down at the level of the people/culture of the time in order to integrate Himself slowly.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Pick up sticks on the Sabbath?  Death penalty.

Yes. Because doing that was disobeying a direct order from God.

Quote:Rape a woman?  Pay her dad and marry her.

Yes. Because no one else would marry her. She would forced into a life of destitution and/or prostitution. Marriage was for her benefit.

Quote:What should I be giving God kudos for again?

For having thought this through more carefully than you realize.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: [...]

I believe the charge of "condoning" has been answered, and those controversialist who wish to continue making the accusation simply demonstrate themselves to be incapable of reasoning and lacking in goodwill. Further discussion with people of that sort is not a good use of time.

And you still haven't answered the question - is there such a thing as marital rape in your fancy book. Or is it true, that according to the authors once a woman is married, she belongs to her husband and has no right to refuse him sex (unless she's on her period, or otherwise "unclean" - and even then it seems to be the husband's decision)? 
Come on, spit it out: as far as your god is concerned - you can rape your wife to your heart's content.

And why exactly can't a raped woman be considered marriage material? All it would take is a passage in the bible, saying that rape is not considered sex and raped woman is pure in the eyes of the lord. But I suppose your god is too much of a coward to want to piss off barbaric shepherds like that, isn't he?

Oh yeah, I forgot to kill the cutie's family too. So, if I plead the god thing, I can get away with murder, kidnapping and rape.

As to god raising the bar, how about not going into the town and slaughtering everyone in the first place? If god's chosen ones are killing, raping and pillaging, just what in the hell did the townsfolk on the receiving end do to justify their own eradication? Apparently it was not killing, raping, and pillaging.

Is not adultery one of the sins? I expect that a good portion of the rapists were also adulterers and if they then married the poor raped girl, are they now not bigamists also?

We can drag this out to a multitude of sins all condoned, even commanded, by the evil warlord of the bible.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't have the same understanding as Randy in regards to the OT, but I think what he's saying is that God was putting Himself down at the level of the people/culture of the time in order to integrate Himself slowly.

Yup, as I said - he's a coward. Or rather - would be if he wasn't simply made up by the raping barbarians, in order to justify their actions.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:29 pm)Nope Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 6:19 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: If not raping women was important to God, he probably should have added that to his commandments.  Four of them are about worshipping him, after all; he could have made some room.

The god of the bible made a rule not to boil a goat in its mother's milk but he couldn't take the time to say, "Women are worth more then their vaginas"

Randy, you are defending the rape of girls who probably witnessed the murder of their parents.

No. I am explaining how God demanded that the girls be taken care of. Life was hard. God made it easier. If you have not seen this yet, then read the articles I provided above.

Quote:And I still want to know if you believe a  man can rape his wife.

Your statement is worded poorly. Yes, a man can rape his wife. And rape is wrong.

Quote:Does the wife have a right to tell her husband,  she isn't in the mood for sex?

Yes.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Pick up sticks on the Sabbath?  Death penalty.

Rape a woman?  Pay her dad and marry her.

What should I be giving God kudos for again?

I don't have the same understanding as Randy in regards to the OT, but I think what he's saying is that God was putting Himself down at the level of the people/culture of the time in order to integrate Himself slowly.

Yes. As I said previously, God met the Israelites where they were at and began to form them into a better people. This process took time.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:35 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

Quote:Rape a woman?  Pay her dad and marry her.

Yes. Because no one else would marry her. She would forced into a life of destitution and/or prostitution. Marriage was for her benefit.

If their true concern is for her financial well being, it would make far more sense to have a law that says a woman's rapist must provide for her, instead of forcing her to spend the rest of her life with her attacker.
If no one will marry her because she is now "spoiled goods" (which would probably be the same if she had consensual sex before marriage), then that's just backasswards thinking. There's nothing inherently 'wrong' or 'dirty' about a woman who's been raped, and the men who wrote that law or wouldn't marry her just need to get the fuck over themselves.

(June 24, 2015 at 6:35 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

Quote:What should I be giving God kudos for again?

For having thought this through more carefully than you realize.

Or having been made up by primitive people in a way that suited them. Of course the old f***s didn't want to have to support their raped daughters any longer than they had to - so they made it a "god's law" that a rapist has to pay mary the victim and pay the father some money. No actual god necessary in this "legislative process"...