(June 24, 2015 at 6:44 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: This may be a step up from American slavery where no master ws ever punished for killing his slaves, but would you exonerate a man who beat you if you lived on for a day or two? Maybe I shouldn't ask you that since you seem to think it's okay to treat others in a way you wouldn't want to be treated.

I do not think anyone has actually said it that way but, if I go downtown now, I could probably find someone that would be quite happy working for room and board.  Would they be considered a slave?  May perhaps you should tell us what you think constitutes slavery.

No, you won't find anybody who would be happy to be kidnapped away from their home, never to see their family again, dragged to another country and forced to work. How could they have been working FOR room and board that they wouldn't have needed if they'd been left in their own home?

(June 24, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: No, you won't find anybody who would be happy to be kidnapped away from their home, never to see their family again, dragged to another country and forced to work. How could they have been working FOR  room and board that they wouldn't have needed if they'd been left in their own home?

For some it's a kink. It's funny yet also terrifying how many people I saw advertising on craiglist when I was trying to sell a car for someone to abduct them, chain them up in their dungeon and make them their slave. Seemed rather enthusiastic about the idea

(June 24, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 6:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: ... if I go downtown now, I could probably find someone that would be quite happy working for room and board.  Would they be considered a slave?  May perhaps you should tell us what you think constitutes slavery.

No, you won't find anybody who would be happy to be kidnapped away from their home, never to see their family again, dragged to another country and forced to work. How could they have been working FOR  room and board that they wouldn't have needed if they'd been left in their own home?

That did not answer or even address my post.

(June 24, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Won2blv Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 3:06 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: And slavery doesn't bring physical and emotional harm? You keep going back the the Hebrews who were entering into slavery "willingly." I put willingly in quotations because it implies these people had other options. Let's talk about non-Hebrews, here. Can you imagine the emotional harm that not having ownership of your person would do? And also, let's not forget that there was still a marketplace then. It didn't have the same goods, but there was still room for leisure spending. You weren't buying a DVD, but maybe you were buying a toy produced at the carpenter's shop for your child. You keep acting like people had only the basic costs in their lives:  clothes, food, shelter. There were still whorehouses, bars, etc.

Heres the thing, I am open on this site that I am questioning my beliefs. But for me this is a non issue. Because I don't believe we can ever fully grasp what life was like back then and when I think of slavery I think about it only from the perspective I have. Also from the perspective that if you really believe in the god of the bible, you are willingly his slave. So to enter into that agreement you have to accept that there would be freedoms you're willing to give up because you love your master that much. Maybe this could be a fucked up abusive relationship. But I know that I am willing to sacrifice certain things for my wife and vice versa. Or my employer. I am willing to give up certain freedoms to keep my job.

Are you willing to be beaten at work?  By your wife?  Or otherwise treated as chattel?

It's hilarious and sad to see you try to whitewash slavery with comparisons to Kobe fucking Bryant, future NBA Hall of Famer and multimillionaire, and your relationship with your wife and employer.  All that illustrates is that you're completely ill equipped to have this conversation.

"It couldn't be that bad if the Hebrews entered into it willingly!"

History is written by the victors.  And when you're trying to sell a way of life to others, the really heinous stuff isn't going to be in the brochure.  I'm sure the Hebrews were ecstatic to be slaves.  And I'm sure they were allowed to leave just as easily as they entered their servitude.  It was just like Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace.  No capricious beatings, mortally dangerous jobs/working conditions, or lack of adequate food/water/healthcare for them.  Nope.

(June 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: No, you won't find anybody who would be happy to be kidnapped away from their home, never to see their family again, dragged to another country and forced to work. How could they have been working FOR  room and board that they wouldn't have needed if they'd been left in their own home?

That did not answer or even address my post.

I wasn't trying to answer your question. I addressed the part of your post that was relevant to the present discussion. If you want to start a thread about what constitutes slavery, you are welcome to do so.

I have a simple moral rule of thumb. I ask myself if I would think a thing fair or right if I were yet to be born and writing the rules before I knew who I would be. Slavery would be right out by that standard.

(June 24, 2015 at 9:51 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm)IATIA Wrote: That did not answer or even address my post.

I wasn't trying to answer your question. I addressed the part of your post that was relevant to the present discussion. If you want to start a thread about what constitutes slavery, you are welcome to do so.

Except, how is anyone to have a conversation with you about slavery if you don't tell them what constitutes it in your eyes?

Really, evolutionist why would you consider slavery bad (though I'm glad you do), in evolution the human life is no more important than the life of a dog or cow (I've heard that said right here many times by several people). So if man holds no higher ground than a dog or cow, why can't people own people, from an evolutionary point that is.

GC

Reciprocity.

[quote='Minimalist' pid='973128' dateline='1435182989']

Quote:Archaeology has shown that there was precious little difference between the Canaanites and the so-called "Jews."  Until the Persian era they were virtually indistinguishable.

Quote:Is that a problem for theists? Jews were just the offspring of Abraham whom god made a covenant with.

Abraham is as phony as all the rest of the bullshit.  What else have you got?


I don't understand what your point is about them being similar? The jews thought they were a special property because of the covenant god made with their forefather. It didn't matter that these other men were their distant cousins