(July 1, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Does "separation of church and state" exist in Denmark? that is a easy yes or no question that I suspect you'll have an excuse for not answering.

There's no such need in Denmark since their adult population has adjusted well to modernity. You are trying to make a case since Denmark has an official state religion; The Evangelical Church of Denmark. Claiming Denmark is a religious nation due to the vestigial nature of its official state religion is similar to claiming the human appendix is vital to our survival.

Food for thought:

Quote:According to a Eurobarometer Poll conducted in 2010,[2] 28% of Danish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", 47% responded that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 24% responded that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force". Another poll, carried out in 2008, found that 25% of Danes believe Jesus is the son of God, and 18% believe he is the saviour of the world.[3]

While a vast majority of Danes are technically agnostic or atheist, few choose to identify as such. It is speculated[by whom?] that this is because religion is such a non-issue that not believing in it does not require a specific label. Phil Zuckerman, an American professor of sociology, after spending 14 months in Sweden and Denmark talking to hundreds of people about religion, reported that they were “often disinclined or hesitant to talk with me about religion, and even once they agreed to do so, they usually had very little to say on the matter.

Still don't get it?

Quote:Politicians in Denmark will not generally be found making use of any religious rhetoric or arguments in their declarations, and this is especially the case for government ministers, with the possible exception (sometimes) of the Minister for Ecclesiastical Affairs in the course of his or her duties. Four of Denmark's prime ministers have identified themselves as atheists.[32]

The Christian Democrats are the only major political party regularly to employ religious rhetoric and arguments, and they have not been represented in the Folketing since 2001, as they have not been able to acquire the minimum 2% of the votes needed to secure a seat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Denmark

Although I typically leave these types of responses in this state relatively sure that the recipient understands and will draw the appropriate conclusion, your frequent demonstration of the lack of anything resembling reasoning skill compels me to summarize explicitly. Despite Denmark's constitution identifying a Christian state religion, there is nothing in its society in general or politics in particular that invokes said religion. Denmark is decidedly secular.

If at this point you still choose to press your case that Denmark is a Christian nation because of its official state religion, then you will only confirm your status as a first class dolt. I beg you to comport yourself with a measure of humility and integrity and admit your error. With the admission, I will forgive the transgression without apology and you can progress unencumbered towards your next absurdity. Although merited, I won't request an apology in the spirit of your Christ; "forgive him father, he knows not what he says".

(July 1, 2015 at 9:26 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 8:43 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Thank you for the clarification. I did not mean to imply otherwise.

My objection is that staffers should have two accounts: one mod and one regular user (and your identity should be anonymous, btw)

If you want to tee off on someone as a regular user, then others could ignore you.

You would only switch to your mod account when taking action as needed.

As it is, there are more atheist mods in this Christianity forum than there are Christians to take action against.

Cthulhu Dreaming has suggested that I use the Suggestions forum to propose ideas like this, and I may do so. This post is just for discussion...in a "discussion forum".

FFS, Randy.

(July 1, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 9:32 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Quit giving us the ammo.

But you don't have the ammo, do you? I've asked for just one example where I was being dishonest, haven't seen it yet....

In the meantime I could provide at least 10 examples (there's more if you're interested) of Atheists being dishonest, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy...that's it. I mean come on, Atheists criticize priests for sexually abusing underage boys, but run to the defense of a gay guy doing the exact same thing... and YOU think MY actions of pointing out the hypocrisy of that reprehensible.

smh

(July 1, 2015 at 10:14 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: But you don't have the ammo, do you? I've asked for just one example where I was being dishonest, haven't seen it yet....

In the meantime I could provide at least 10 examples (there's more if you're interested) of Atheists being dishonest, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy...that's it. I mean come on, Atheists criticize priests for sexually abusing underage boys, but run to the defense of a gay guy doing the exact same thing... and YOU think MY actions of pointing out the hypocrisy of that reprehensible.

smh

How very fucking brave of you to butt in on a conversation not in the least pertaining to you when one of the participants is someone you have obviously placed on ignore. You are a fucking coward Randy.

And, Huggies, the evidence of your dishonesty is all over this thread, indeed all over the forum. Unlike you. I don't carry a bunch of quotes in my back pocket to use to vilify others. Your bullshit though, is there for all to see. You're not fooling anyone with your pathetic quote mining.

(July 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Cato Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Does "separation of church and state" exist in Denmark? that is a easy yes or no question that I suspect you'll have an excuse for not answering.

There's no such need in Denmark since their adult population has adjusted well to modernity. You are trying to make a case since Denmark has an official state religion; The Evangelical Church of Denmark. Claiming Denmark is a religious nation due to the vestigial nature of its official state religion is similar to claiming the human appendix is vital to our survival.

I believe that was a yes or no question.

(July 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Cato Wrote: Food for thought:

Quote:According to a Eurobarometer Poll conducted in 2010,[2] 28% of Danish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", 47% responded that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 24% responded that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force". Another poll, carried out in 2008, found that 25% of Danes believe Jesus is the son of God, and 18% believe he is the saviour of the world.[3]

While a vast majority of Danes are technically agnostic or atheist, few choose to identify as such. It is speculated[by whom?] that this is because religion is such a non-issue that not believing in it does not require a specific label. Phil Zuckerman, an American professor of sociology, after spending 14 months in Sweden and Denmark talking to hundreds of people about religion, reported that they were “often disinclined or hesitant to talk with me about religion, and even once they agreed to do so, they usually had very little to say on the matter.

"A vast majority of Danes are technically agnostic or atheist"? according to your own numbers only 24% "do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force", but you take that to mean there is a "vast" majority of agnostic/atheists.
 I digress, we're speaking of the Danish government, not the population, there is a difference. Odd that an American professor is referenced... no danish ones available?

(July 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Cato Wrote: Still don't get it?

Quote:Politicians in Denmark will not generally be found making use of any religious rhetoric or arguments in their declarations, and this is especially the case for government ministers, with the possible exception (sometimes) of the Minister for Ecclesiastical Affairs in the course of his or her duties. Four of Denmark's prime ministers have identified themselves as atheists.[32]

The Christian Democrats are the only major political party regularly to employ religious rhetoric and arguments, and they have not been represented in the Folketing since 2001, as they have not been able to acquire the minimum 2% of the votes needed to secure a seat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Denmark

Also from your link...

Quote:§68 states that no one is required to personally contribute to any form of religion other than his own. As state subsidies are not considered personal contributions[33] the Church of Denmark receives subsidies - according to §4 - beyond the church tax paid by the members of the church. The Church of Denmark is the only religious group to receive direct financial support from the state. Other religious groups can receive indirect support through tax deductions on contributions

This shows preferential treatment by the Danish government toward the Church of Denmark, which is by definition NOT secular.

(July 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Cato Wrote: Although I typically leave these types of responses in this state relatively sure that the recipient understands and will draw the appropriate conclusion, your frequent demonstration of the lack of anything resembling reasoning skill compels me to summarize explicitly. Despite Denmark's constitution identifying a Christian state religion, there is nothing in its society in general or politics in particular that invokes said religion. Denmark is decidedly secular.

*emphasis mine*
You sure about that?
Here is an article written by Dr. Lars Dencik a DANISH professor.

Quote:Dr. Lars Dencik is professor of social psychology at Roskilde University, Denmark, and director of the social and cultural psychology program at the Danish Graduate School of Psychology.

In his article he states.
http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/rinv...rssecr.htm

Quote:•  Practically all citizens are automatically born as members of the “Folkekirke.” Not to be so demands that the citizens take the initiative to leave the church. At present 83 percent of the Danish population belong to the “Folkekirke.”

So being automatically registerd as a member of the Church upon birth is somehow NOT "invoking" religion? How is this secularism?

(July 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm)Cato Wrote: If at this point you still choose to press your case that Denmark is a Christian nation because of its official state religion, then you will only confirm your status as a first class dolt. I beg you to comport yourself with a measure of humility and integrity and admit your error. With the admission, I will forgive the transgression without apology and you can progress unencumbered towards your next absurdity. Although merited, I won't request an apology in the spirit of your Christ; "forgive him father, he knows not what he says".

All you've shown is the lengths atheist will go, to maintain a position that has been proven wrong repeatedly. How do you differ from the "fundies" again?

(July 1, 2015 at 5:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 3:51 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Nobody is duped by it, Judi, so don't worry about it ^_^

Moreover, if you want to give some digs back to him, just ask him if he's had any luck summoning UFOs, or quote mine some choice things he wrote in that train wreck of a thread several months ago.

Wait... there's a trainwreck thread? I MUST see this! Link please

(July 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: And, Huggies, the evidence of your dishonesty is all over this thread, indeed all over the forum. Unlike you. I don't carry a bunch of quotes in my back pocket to use to vilify others. Your bullshit though, is there for all to see. You're not fooling anyone with your pathetic quote mining.

If my "dishonesty" is all over this thread/forum, one example shouldn't be all that hard to find...

SNIPPED your crap Huggies, because no one wants to read your fucking drivel over and over and over again.


Really your stupidity is getting stronger and stronger every day. You continue to do this shit and I'm going to have to block you just so that you are unable to twist any future words I use. Really, you're an adult. Isn't it time you started behaving like one?

(July 1, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 9:32 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Quit giving us the ammo.

But you don't have the ammo, do you? I've asked for just one example where I was being dishonest, haven't seen it yet....

In the meantime I could provide at least 10 examples (there's more if you're interested) of Atheists being dishonest, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy...that's it. I mean come on, Atheists criticize priests for sexually abusing underage boys, but run to the defense of a gay guy doing the exact same thing... and YOU think MY actions of pointing out the hypocrisy of that reprehensible.

smh

Woah back the fuck up dude. First of all stop lumping ALL atheists into one group who think the same things because I, for one, do NOT condone any adult having sex with underage kids. Period.

(July 1, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: How do you differ from the "fundies" again?

Reason, intellectual honesty, ability to admit error, a taste for alcohol, a fondness of non-missionary sexual positions, a sense of humor and irony, a deep respect of nature that doesn't require my being master and commander, thinking addition and not crucifixion every time I see bifurcated perpendicular lines, spill more seed than Muhammad Ali filling a bird feeder, and an extra hour of free time on Wednesday evening and Sunday mornings.

Please let me know if this provides enough distinction. I sincerely don't want there to be any confusion in the matter.