Quote:Suppose you are some powerful king and your people have fetched you some men who have broken some supreme laws on purpose. You have full authority to punish them or to let them go free. To some you announce punishments and some of them you let go free after giving warnings. This act will show your wisdom and compassionate characteristic.

However, you will not punish your peaceful citizens who live by abiding the laws because you are not a tyrant ruler who love to have fun with people’s lives.

Ok, but the verse I showed you says that god will misguide who he want's to misguide.  As a powerful compassionate king I wouldn't want to misguide anyone.  That is the difference between me and a sadistic tyrannical god. 
So did I still quote the quran out of context?  Let me ask you this, do you believe Allah misguides people, considering the quran says that Allah misguides who he wants to misguide I'd be tempted to believe that you do believe Allah misguides people.

(July 2, 2015 at 7:31 am)Neimenovic Wrote:

(July 2, 2015 at 7:28 am)bennyboy Wrote: It's TOTALLY there.  Can't you see it?

Oh, THERE! Right between the verses it isn't in and more verses it isn't in! Silly me, missed it completely

NOW you're getting it!

Quote:5. Iron carried by meteorites to earth

“…WE SENT DOWN IRON, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind…” (Quran 57:25)

You just picked a translation that suits the "Miracle".
I can provide proof that the other translations of this verse have nothing to do with anything being "Sent down."

Quote:and He revealed iron, wherein is mighty power

Quote: And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power

Quote:and We have made the iron, wherein is great violence and advantages to men

And I can also prove that the part of the verse before this which you have left out reveals that the quran does not use the term "Sent down" to mean anything at all to do with space or meteorites or anything scientific.

Quote:We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron,

This proves that using the language of the quran "Sent down" basically means provided by god, or revealed by god.
Unless that is you want to claim that the messengers of god and their scriptures were sent down by meteorites aswell?
This verse says basically that god sent messengers, and with them he sent down scriptures, and he sent down iron.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think you're conflating the idea of "miracles" with the idea of being able to draw parallels between science and scripture. Your argument doesn't make a lot of cohesive sense.

You prattle on for a while about how miracles are said to not exist in the natural universe. You then claim you will make a case for the existence of miracles, then you go on to instead use your confirmation bias to make science agree with your holy book...a line of discussion which, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with miracles one way or another.

If you really want to prove that miracles exist, all you have to do is show us one. Just one. Even a little one. It just has to be a legitimate divine occurrence. If your gods could do all those tricks before science was watching, why can't they do them now? If they do, where is the evidence?

Redbeard, I saw a post you did with all bold in another thread that was a little more readable for me. Would you mind bolding your posts? I think if I adjust my screen, I will be able to read them. Now, I have to copy and paste to Word.

I'd argue the existence of physics could be called a miracle, since it cannot itself be expressed in any of the physical terms by which we judge something true or even existent. For any given framework by which normalcy is established, in fact, I'd say there must either be something which is supernormal, or something which is paradoxical.

Quote:Irrespective of the symptoms, people in the past were not considering skin as blameworthy for that nasty burning sensation.

If you kick me in my balls I will know I've felt pain, I won't know the exact scientific mechanism for this, but I will know that what you have done has hurt and I'll crouch over and probably yell something like "AAAAAAHHHHH YOU JUST KICKED ME IN THE BALLS."
I'm not likely to stand there and say "Well according to my scientific knowledge of the testes I have no reason to be in pain right now.

It doesn't matter if they thought the brain was responsible for pain it doesn't matter if they thought the dog next door was responsible for origin of pain, the quran does NOT say if the brain is responsible or if the skin is responsible, it simply says burning of the skin hurts, and allah will replace the skin once it has been burned through in order for it to hurt again. People in the past knew that burning hurt.

Quote:After 3rd or 4th degree burn patient does not feel any pain. This is not an assumption.

This has nothing to do with what I said in anyway shape or form.  First of all you're wrong, burn patients feel pain just not in the area they suffered the burn.  Second of all I didn't say that you were assuming that 3rd or 4th degree burn patients don't feel pain.  I'll copy and paste what I previously said WITH the important part you missed out underlined and in bold.



If you assume that this verse is giving you information that there will be no sensation of pain again because the receptors are damaged THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION.

Quote:Here is your another attempt to change the meaning by misinterpreting the verse. The word “FLESH” does not exist in the verse it only mentions the word “SKIN.”

I typed flesh instead of skin, just replace the word flesh with skin in what I typed and my point still remains.