Is what we think emotional or intellectual?

[ignoramus]

But isn't someone's perception of reality, their reality.
Unless you're talking objective reality, and then, well turtles and vats..,

[Whateverist]

You do. Those who responded did so just as genuinely as did you - I know I did. I suggest taking a breath and holding it for a count of ten, then pretending that other people are just as entitled to their opinion as you are of yours. This isn't just singling you out for vendetta, either; I have to keep drilling this into a person I know in real life as well.

I guess it just seems like people only read the title of the thread and not the 4 paragraphs I worked on.

Guilty.  After all, very often it is the idea or question in the title that beckons us to respond.  The set up can be important but sometimes I only come to that later after getting into the back and forth.  Just don't think I responded without reading all of what you wrote as an indication of any specific lack of respect.  It is simply the way I prefer to roll.  Now you have me curious enough to go back and read what you wrote.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

I guess it just seems like people only read the title of the thread and not the 4 paragraphs I worked on.

Guilty.  After all, very often it is the idea or question in the title that beckons us to respond.  The set up can be important but sometimes I only come to that later after getting into the back and forth.  Just don't think I responded without reading all of what you wrote as an indication of any specific lack of respect.  It is simply the way I prefer to roll.  Now you have me curious enough to go back and read what you wrote.

Uggggggh you goof 

[Whateverist]

What I really want to be focusing on though is the psychology of these sorts of things. How come when you argue it makes you feel emotional, how come emotions are so deeply intertwined with what seems to be deceivingly "intellectual" subjects?

But what assumption leads you to assume emotions should be excluded from intellectual subjects?  Without emotion you very likely cannot have a point of view on a topic.  You'd be like Data from Star Trek reeling off a brain storming of every related point with no organizing principle.  Emotion helps put you into the argument .. you goof.  

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

Aw fuck, I can't change the title of the OP.

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What I really want to be focusing on though is the psychology of these sorts of things. How come when you argue it makes you feel emotional, how come emotions are so deeply intertwined with what seems to be deceivingly "intellectual" subjects?

But what assumption leads you to assume emotions should be excluded from intellectual subjects?  Without emotion you very likely cannot have a point of view on a topic.  You'd be like Data from Star Trek reeling off a brain storming of every related point with no organizing principle.  Emotion helps put you into the argument .. you goof.  

Well, emotions are emotions. I mean, it seems kinda spooky, how the way you feel could effect your logic.

[Edwardo Piet]

Of course thoughts are partly intellectual and partly emotional

I think if you are unaware of this it could make emotions rather confusing and hard to understand. If you are into a binary mode of "Thoughts are either emotional or intellectual but I'm not sure which" then you are really limiting yourself and confusing yourself IMO.

Definitely all thoughts contain denotation and connotation. If anything is connotatively neutral for a minute we very quickly add a connotation to it subjectively at least in our own minds... and we are also analytical beings so there's totally denotation already of course

Intellectual AND emotional. That's what thinking is. To discredit one or the other would confuse the mind... and probably cause cognitive dissonance

And yes, I'm speaking from experience.

[Sappho]

If we're arguing about politics or something, sometimes we get emotional. Why? If what we know is fact why would disavowal conflict with our thoughts and feelings? This is more of a question about psychology. It's interesting to me to think, if we know that our political points of view are more psychological than factual, wouldn't that information free us from the emotional strain? 

I guess how we arrive to any point of view is a matter of personal endeavor. So if our intellectual values are psychological, wouldn't that also follow that being liberal or conservative is also a mindset? I was wondering earlier today whether or not being conservative serves any purpose. It seems like so much conservative argument comes from really shortsighted mindset.

You may be wondering, where are you coming from with this issue DespondentFishdeathMasochismo? Well, I argue all the time on the internet. I was in a Counterstrike: Source server today, called n00b hideout. I go to this server every day, sometimes the discourse is polite, sometimes there's lots of really awful name calling and stupid arguments.

I think in the end, it's best to remember that people focus on petty differences a lot, without really having any common goal. Some people just aren't worth your time, that's the lesson here. What I really want to be focusing on though is the psychology of these sorts of things. How come when you argue it makes you feel emotional, how come emotions are so deeply intertwined with what seems to be deceivingly "intellectual" subjects?

Isn't this an interesting thing about a conversation, as much as it can be annoying sometimes?
If you want a pure objective talk, go talk to a robot.
I know what you mean man. I do. But emotion is what makes it all fun and worth doing.