Cultural Appropriation

[Thumpalumpacus]

I never said people who reject my definition are pricks. I said people who do things that follow my definition are pricks.

Here's what you said:

But I can't help but feel like some people hate the idea of political correctness because it hurts their ability to be a dick or be racist without much consequence.

Your feelings aren't facts, and your uncharitable assumptions are bullshit.

Because those who do take part in the forms of cultural appropriation I've been talking about are bigoted and/or racist.

Ah, so you know why they are doing it, then? You've excluded thoughtlessness as a possible explanation?

I never did. I tried to make it as clear as possible the types of things I was talking about.

All the while ignoring the fact that cultural appropriation, as given in the link I posted, means what I had posted about, too. If you reject that, great. But the dipshits who argue otherwise would mount your head on a pole, at this point.

Perhaps we agree more than I'd picked up on; fair enough.

You're forgetting my original point. My original point was arguing that cultural appropriation exists. There are serious bigoted and racist things happening that many people are against because it is now held under the banner of cultural appropriation. I didn't think it was fair that all of those things were brushed off because of the reputation of the term itself. So I decided to argue in favor of it existing. I don't think my voice personally carries more weight than anybody else's. Historically, on the other hand, yes, a white person's does. Native Americans had some fantastic voices and figures fight for their rights, such as Arthur C. Parker, Charles Eastman, and Francis La Flesche. But without the work of John Collier, all of their great and inspiring speeches and writings wouldve been for naught. Because, historically speaking, white people are more willing to listen to other white people.

Yes, you're right,bigoted and offensive things happen. But the term itself has meanings, multiple meanings, and some of those are clearly horseshit.

And the assumption that white folks only listen to white folks, while perhaps accurate historically, still carries forward to today, is not well-founded. The examples I mentioned spoke clearly against white power, and gained traction with white listeners -- and those were sixty or eighty years ago. Nowadays, in a much more pluralistic society, holding the past attitudes of white folk against those alive today seems, dare I say it, stereotypical.

Again...I never called anybody disagreeing with me pricks. Can't make that clear enough.

I refer you to your own quote above.

Never once throughout this thread did I say anybody arguing with me was an asshole. You twisted my words so that you could call yourself an asshole:

[quote='Thumbpalumpacus']
Note that the opening sentence lays it out: "Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of elements of one culture by members of a different culture." Following that, this passage turns to the idea of misappropriation, which is clearly not a settled matter. But the fact is that cultural appropriation is exactly what I'm doing in playing blues or jazz, or cooking Italian food. It follows, then, that misappropriation -- which certainly exists in the forms you both mention -- is only a subset of cultural appropriation.

Actually, if you read through the article I linked, that isn't me calling myself an asshole. That is what I am called, essentially, by people who label my music or cooking as "appropriation". For the record, I don't dress up in blackface or don native headdress.

I suppose the better term would have been misappropriation, then? Okay. But you saw that I was confused about the legitimate and agreed upon definition of the term.

"Misappropriation" is certainly the better term, for accuracy's sake. And you are indeed confused about the agreed-upon term.

You saw I was talking about something different. Yet you pretended I was talking about you. And in that same post you ripped a quote out of I said that I wasn't talking about white boys playing the blues. But here you are, twisting my words. I was clear what and who I was talking about. You weren't one of them. But you graciously made yourself one of them and made it seem like I straight-up called you an asshole when I didn't. [/color]

By using the term without specifying initially that you were using your own personal definition, misunderstanding was made more likely. And by aspersing my understanding of it ("If this is the general understanding of the concept, no wonder you all seem completely against it even existing."), which is in fact the common understanding of it, you really shouldn't be surprised when someone takes it the wrong way.

I'm not as familiar with the names of fallacies as you are. Can you tell me which fallacy you commit you when you accuse someone in a very dirgogatory manner things that they never did?

A failure to communicate clearly -- which belongs to both parties, in this particular case. My apologies for my share of it.

[Eseka]

@OP

Cultural appropriation typically implies certain power dynamics. My initial reaction is that no, your cousin is not appropriating a culture.

[bennyboy]

You're right...we don't need "Thought police." I thought I made it clear a few posts ago that I don't really agree with the PC culture you're talking about? The cultural appropriation I've been discussing to death isn't something that just "white hipster SJWs" spend their time caring about. That's been one of my points this entire time. I guess I didn't make that clear enough?

In that case I apologize. I was responding to a specific post, not to the progress of the thread as a whole.

[BrokenQuill92]

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/10/blac...opriation/

[Whateverist]

Haven't read anything beyond the OP so sorry if it has already been said. But why is cultural appropriation anything which even raises an eyebrow. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

[BrokenQuill92]

Haven't read anything beyond the OP so sorry if it has already been said. But why is cultural appropriation anything which even raises an eyebrow. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

I feel like it's a double edged sword. Think about how black people have been entirely pushed out of rock music. On the other hand you great cultural exchanges like Macklemore breaking into the rap industry but respecting the roots of its source. And this is my issue I feel like people don't know the difference between exchange and bastardizing.

[paulpablo]

Haven't read anything beyond the OP so sorry if it has already been said. But why is cultural appropriation anything which even raises an eyebrow. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?

I feel like it's a double edged sword. Think about how black people have been entirely pushed out of rock music. On the other hand you great cultural exchanges like Macklemore breaking into the rap industry but respecting the roots of its source. And this is my issue I feel like people don't know the difference between exchange and bastardizing.

I don't understand how a race of people can be pushed out of a genre of music.

[Bob Kelso]

I feel like it's a double edged sword. Think about how black people have been entirely pushed out of rock music. On the other hand you great cultural exchanges like Macklemore breaking into the rap industry but respecting the roots of its source. And this is my issue I feel like people don't know the difference between exchange and bastardizing.

I don't understand how a race of people can be pushed out of a genre of music.

Because they haven't been. 

[Rev. Rye]

I feel like it's a double edged sword. Think about how black people have been entirely pushed out of rock music. On the other hand you great cultural exchanges like Macklemore breaking into the rap industry but respecting the roots of its source. And this is my issue I feel like people don't know the difference between exchange and bastardizing.

I don't understand how a race of people can be pushed out of a genre of music.

Music executives wanting to make something that's easily marketable to a specific demographic.

[BrokenQuill92]

I don't understand how a race of people can be pushed out of a genre of music.

Because they haven't been. 

Except we have. Name a few prominent black people in the rock scene today… go on…I'm waiting…