God and Distaster

[Godscreated]

God did create a perfect world, Satan and people like you and me caused the imperfections that are seen in the world.

a perfect world created by a perfect god can be screwed up by imperfect mortals? That makes ZERO sense and is obviously a quick excuse to avoid blame.

I'm admitting blame and yes it makes perfect sense when you understand that God created all things and created angels, humans and anything else that can know God. God desires love from us and to have the love He desires He had to give us freewill. God has no desire for forced love or loyalty.

theVOID, where do you get this word omnibenevolent from,

*sigh* yet again godschild shows his ignorance of his own religion. Of course the word "omni benevolence" isnt in the bible, but omni benevolence means "infinite and perfect goodness, justice, and kindness", which is spoken of many times in the bible..if you just took the time to read it.

Yes I know what it means and if you had cared to try and understand the quote below you would know I understand. To respond to your response below I did not change a thing about scripture, read your definition of omnibenvolent above and you'll see that what I said matches. God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent and that seems to me to cover it all so why us the word omnibenevolent (which I can not find in the dictionary) when the other three cover all aspects of God.

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The idea of God's omnibenevolence in Christianity is based on Psalm 18:30, "As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him."

It is also supported by Psalm 19:7, "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Samuel 22:31
As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

1 Kings 8:60-61
60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else. 61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

Job 37:16
Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?
(I might not know how to "balance clouds" in the sky..by Jesus does..careful, they may tip! LMFAO)

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 138:8
The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.

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yes God is benevolent but sometimes (especially) when there is judgement involved God may not seem to be benevolent.

But that goes DIRECTLY against the scripture I just posted. "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." The book of Revelations is very precise about what happens to those who change the word of the lord around like you just did. It says they will add to their miseries in the lake of fire, and those who subtract from the word of the lord will subtract their name from the book of life.

Now do not misunderstand, I'm not saying this awful disaster was judgement from God, I do believe this earthquake was part of what happens on this planet. Yes I do believe that God could have stopped this event, that however did not happen for what ever reason and I guess you'll have to ask God why. As for why doesn't He stop natural disasters, how do we know He hasn't, when and if He does we would never know because it never happened.

God cant stop natural disasters because he is nothing more than a fictional character..DUH! Why do you think we are asking you these questions? We are trying to get you to realize the only answer for ALL of them is to admit that Jehovah and Jebus are fictional.

He may seem fictional to you, for me He is real, you can do everything you can think of to make God fictional but the truth is He's real, your creator and God and there is nothing you can do to change this truth.

[theVOID]

He may seem fictional to you, for me He is real, you can do everything you can think of to make God fictional but the truth is He's real, your creator and God and there is nothing you can do to change this truth.

All I hear is a whining baby.

Can you demonstrate your God exists? No
Can you provide justification for your beliefs? No

Asserting that he's real despite all of this just makes you look like a brainwashed fool.

[Godscreated]

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If you were rescued from a life threatening event would you thank the person who saved you even though others may have died, I think you would and I know I would.

Let's say you were in a building that caught fire and dozens of people died in the inferno. However, you survived because someone dragged you out of the burning building. Would you be grateful and thank the person? I'm sure you would!

But let's say you later discover that the person who saved you is a pyromaniac and is responsible for setting the building on fire. Would you still be grateful? Or would you be angry that the asshole killed dozens of people, destroyed property and put your life in danger?

So why is thanking God any different?

Because your deity supposedly has the power to prevent disasters. Imagine there's a gas leak in your house which knocks out you and your entire family. The fire department shows up and carries you and one of your children outside to safety. However, they do nothing to stop the leak (when they could easily do so by turning a valve) and refuse to bring your spouse and other child out of the house. Finally, the gas ignites, incinerating your spouse and child, and burning your house to the ground.

Now, how do you feel about this turn of events? Do you praise the fire department for saving you and your child? Or are you angry that they did nothing to shut off the gas or retrieve the rest of your family?

This. Excellent post Thor.

Religious logic : "Well, that was bad, tens of thousands died, millions more will suffer, but I guess it could have been worse, PRAISE THE LORD!!!"

Sickening.

No, you are sickening.

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For any reason other than the fact I've pointed out exactly how Christian logic works when there's been a massive disaster?
The christian logic to this disaster is to send money to those who will use it to help Japan, to send teams or workers to help those in need and send tons and tons of supplies with these teams for the Japanes and all this comes with no strings attached. Yes many nonreligious people will do the same and these people will work side by side in their efforts to help and they will appreciate each other.

[Anomalocaris]

The christian logic to this disaster is to send money to those who will use it to help Japan, to send teams or workers to help those in need and send tons and tons of supplies with these teams for the Japanes and all this comes with no strings attached. Yes many nonreligious people will do the same and these people will work side by side in their efforts to help and they will appreciate each other.

What is stated is not christian, nor is it logic. It is milk of human kindness that has flowed before anyone has ever heard of yehweh or the guttersnipe from Judea. Christian logic is to steal particular credit for that which is part of our collective evolutionary behavior heritage and squander it on furthering the disgracefully atavistic worship of that little overhyped guttersnipe from Judea.

[Godscreated]

He may seem fictional to you, for me He is real, you can do everything you can think of to make God fictional but the truth is He's real, your creator and God and there is nothing you can do to change this truth.

All I hear is a whining baby.

Can you demonstrate your God exists? No
Can you provide justification for your beliefs? No

Asserting that he's real despite all of this just makes you look like a brainwashed fool.

I'm not whining because there is nothing to whine about. I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool. What I am is a reasonable person who makes his own choices by understanding the many truths about any particular situation. No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go. I did not join this forum to prove God to you or anyone else, I do not evangelize to those who do not want to listen, why waste my time on the spritual deaf or should I say dead.
I can justify my beliefs, they are my own and they are of personal experience, you don't like them and you may not dislike them, either way it does not matter to me what you think about my beliefs because I have them and live them for my own reasons and that does not include pleasing you.

[OnlyNatural]

The christian logic to this disaster is to send money to those who will use it to help Japan, to send teams or workers to help those in need and send tons and tons of supplies with these teams for the Japanes and all this comes with no strings attached.

Don't Christian aid groups often evangelize and proselytize to the people they are helping? You know, making sure the victims know that God sent them and that Jesus is the way to true salvation? Somehow I think this diminishes the authenticity of their altruistic intentions, by using foreign aid as a vehicle to sell the product of Christianity.

[Anomalocaris]

I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool.

But on either one or the other you are close enough as to make no difference.

[Minimalist]

G-C if we all stipulate to your being delusional will you stop trying to convince us of it?

[Captain Scarlet]

I'm admitting blame and yes it makes perfect sense when you understand that God created all things and created angels, humans and anything else that can know God. God desires love from us and to have the love He desires He had to give us freewill. God has no desire for forced love or loyalty.

Not only is it interesting that you know the mind of god and what he wants (which in itself is staggeringly arrogant and impossible). But then your admitting your god is not perfect nor immutable. A perfect and/or immutable being/entity/personhood etc can have no desires, else they want want something they do not have; hence they would not have perfection and be seeking a change to the status quo.

[Ubermensch]

the reality of faith.

Now if that isn't self-contradictory I don't know what is.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

Well we as non-believers are not under any obligation to disprove your sky-wizard. You on the other hand, if you wish to convince anyone of the validity of your claims, are obligated to prove what you say.