God and Distaster

[theVOID]

I'm not whining because there is nothing to whine about. I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool. What I am is a reasonable person who makes his own choices by understanding the many truths about any particular situation.

Truths? Now you're asserting knowledge again. You can show that any of the shit you harp on about is true.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

Burden of proof is on you.

I did not join this forum to prove God to you or anyone else, I do not evangelize to those who do not want to listen, why waste my time on the spritual deaf or should I say dead.

There is no spirit, we're all equally 'dead' there.

I can justify my beliefs, they are my own and they are of personal experience, you don't like them and you may not dislike them, either way it does not matter to me what you think about my beliefs because I have them and live them for my own reasons and that does not include pleasing you.

So you think personal experience of the ethereal is justification? Then you should believe in Allah, Zeus, Buddah, Ghosts, Aliens etc - These are all things people have experienced in the exact same way as you. What makes your experiences more legitimate? Absolutely nothing. Can you verify your experiences where they can't? Absolutely not. So why do you believe your own 'experiences'? Because you're biased as fuck.

[Godscreated]

I'm admitting blame and yes it makes perfect sense when you understand that God created all things and created angels, humans and anything else that can know God. God desires love from us and to have the love He desires He had to give us freewill. God has no desire for forced love or loyalty.

Not only is it interesting that you know the mind of god and what he wants (which in itself is staggeringly arrogant and impossible). But then your admitting your god is not perfect nor immutable. A perfect and/or immutable being/entity/personhood etc can have no desires, else they want want something they do not have; hence they would not have perfection and be seeking a change to the status quo.

Now who's claiming to know the mind of God, using a double standard Cappy.

[reverendjeremiah]

I'm not whining because there is nothing to whine about.

Sounds like whining to me.

I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool. What I am is a reasonable person who makes his own choices by understanding the many truths about any particular situation.

Reasonable people do not believe in things which have no evidence to support them. Reasonable people suspend their judgement and note fiction where fiction is apparent.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go. I did not join this forum to prove God to you or anyone else, I do not evangelize to those who do not want to listen, why waste my time on the spritual deaf or should I say dead.

You are the one who has commited intellectual suicide by taking a leap of faith...not us.

I can justify my beliefs, they are my own and they are of personal experience, you don't like them and you may not dislike them, either way it does not matter to me what you think about my beliefs because I have them and live them for my own reasons and that does not include pleasing you.

If that is true then we atheists are also justified in our experiences, as well as Muslims, Satanists, and all other religions. You think your "experience" is a justification in this matter? it is not.

[Godscreated]

The christian logic to this disaster is to send money to those who will use it to help Japan, to send teams or workers to help those in need and send tons and tons of supplies with these teams for the Japanes and all this comes with no strings attached.

Don't Christian aid groups often evangelize and proselytize to the people they are helping? You know, making sure the victims know that God sent them and that Jesus is the way to true salvation? Somehow I think this diminishes the authenticity of their altruistic intentions, by using foreign aid as a vehicle to sell the product of Christianity.

Their first priority is helping those in need, christians understand that people who are suffering are not looking to be preached to, so it makes no sense to preach to deaf ears. Christ calls christians to help those in physical need, He taught that our actions of kindness will always speak louder than words. You should quit basing your opinion of all christians on the stories of those christians that set bad examples about christianity.

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The christian logic to this disaster is to send money to those who will use it to help Japan, to send teams or workers to help those in need and send tons and tons of supplies with these teams for the Japanes and all this comes with no strings attached. Yes many nonreligious people will do the same and these people will work side by side in their efforts to help and they will appreciate each other.

What is stated is not christian, nor is it logic. It is milk of human kindness that has flowed before anyone has ever heard of yehweh or the guttersnipe from Judea. Christian logic is to steal particular credit for that which is part of our collective evolutionary behavior heritage and squander it on furthering the disgracefully atavistic worship of that little overhyped guttersnipe from Judea.

I suppose that your reply is a representation of the milk of human kindness.

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the reality of faith.

Now if that isn't self-contradictory I don't know what is.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

Well we as non-believers are not under any obligation to disprove your sky-wizard. You on the other hand, if you wish to convince anyone of the validity of your claims, are obligated to prove what you say.

I did not join this forum to convince anyone of God's existance, I'm stating what I see as the truth of God.

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G-C if we all stipulate to your being delusional will you stop trying to convince us of it?

Min I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm only defending what I believe.

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I'm not whining because there is nothing to whine about. I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool. What I am is a reasonable person who makes his own choices by understanding the many truths about any particular situation.

Truths? Now you're asserting knowledge again. You can show that any of the shit you harp on about is true.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

[quote="tV"]Burden of proof is on you.

Once again I'm not trying to prove God to you, frankly I'm tired of hearing this cop-out you atheist like to lean on, this is a familar tactic for those who have no answer.

I did not join this forum to prove God to you or anyone else, I do not evangelize to those who do not want to listen, why waste my time on the spritual deaf or should I say dead.

There is no spirit, we're all equally 'dead' there.

In your opinion and that's all it is an opinion.

I can justify my beliefs, they are my own and they are of personal experience, you don't like them and you may not dislike them, either way it does not matter to me what you think about my beliefs because I have them and live them for my own reasons and that does not include pleasing you.

So you think personal experience of the ethereal is justification? Then you should believe in Allah, Zeus, Buddah, Ghosts, Aliens etc - These are all things people have experienced in the exact same way as you. What makes your experiences more legitimate? Absolutely nothing. Can you verify your experiences where they can't? Absolutely not. So why do you believe your own 'experiences'? Because you're biased as fuck.

No they are not the same, my experience is with the one true God and experience has to do with what I know as the truth, because you disagree with me does not make your point valid. I'm not biased, others can believe what they desire (just as you do), this is a God given right through freewill.

[Ubermensch]

the reality of faith.

Now if that isn't self-contradictory I don't know what is.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

Well we as non-believers are not under any obligation to disprove your sky-wizard. You on the other hand, if you wish to convince anyone of the validity of your claims, are obligated to prove what you say.

I did not join this forum to convince anyone of God's existance, I'm stating what I see as the truth of God.

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Here we go, the operative words here are "what I see as". You're fully admitting that the existance of god here is simply your opinion and as your continual unwillingness to justfy your faith demonstrates you have no evidence to support it.

I'm not whining because there is nothing to whine about. I'm not brainwashed nor am I a fool. What I am is a reasonable person who makes his own choices by understanding the many truths about any particular situation.

Truths? Now you're asserting knowledge again. You can show that any of the shit you harp on about is true.

No I can not prove God to you just as you can not disprove God, we are at an impass on this and should let it go.

Burden of proof is on you.

Once again I'm not trying to prove God to you, frankly I'm tired of hearing this cop-out you atheist like to lean on, this is a familar tactic for those who have no answer.

Cop-out? This isn't a cop-out, this is an opportunity for YOU to show that you're RIGHT. But you fail every time. Because you CAN'T. There is no evidence for your faith, there's no REASON for you to hold it, it's like believing in unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters. And just because we might not have an answer, that doesn't mean that yours is right, your argument from ignorance means that you automatically lose.

[Captain Scarlet]

I'm admitting blame and yes it makes perfect sense when you understand that God created all things and created angels, humans and anything else that can know God. God desires love from us and to have the love He desires He had to give us freewill. God has no desire for forced love or loyalty.

Not only is it interesting that you know the mind of god and what he wants (which in itself is staggeringly arrogant and impossible). But then your admitting your god is not perfect nor immutable. A perfect and/or immutable being/entity/personhood etc can have no desires, else they want want something they do not have; hence they would not have perfection and be seeking a change to the status quo.

Now who's claiming to know the mind of God, using a double standard Cappy.

Fascinating. Not only have you failed to address the issue I raised, but you then create a strawman of epic proportions. Would you care to show where I stated anything, anywhere which could be interpreted as knowing the mind of a god/s. I simply played your own statements back at you and stated the incompatibility of them compared to the necessary truths about xtian god held by theists (ie your fellow believers). Taken together they demonstrate the impossibility of your position, so someone is wrong. I clearly do NOT know anything of a god/s, let alone the mind of one, as I don't believe in a god of any description. As I have pointed out you seem to, becuase you know what he desires and I'm delighted for you, on your behalf that you can personally communicate with the creator of the universe. Now we've addressed your ridiculous rejoinder, perhaps you'd like to enter a traditional debate and either show why my arguments aren't necessarily true and/or square how a perfect and immutable god desires anything, as you know him SO well.