Transexuals

[LadyForCamus]

Drich,

According to my therapist and mental health professional who actually earned a degree in this shit, I am mentally healthy.

And I am transgender.

Or would you claim to know MORE than a professional in the field? Or would you use that age-old "queers have taken over the subject of psychiatrics, so the opinion of a therapist is invalid" argument?

Don't you know, Drich knows everything about EVERYTHING? [emoji39]

[Drich]

I think I get it, it all falls under the "None of your business." category. And society at large seems a little obsessed with making it our business. Did I understand right?

I just wanted OP to see how hot Bailey Jay was.  

When I see people (Man woman or a 'jay') really anyone who has to an extreme to make themselves 'hot' or manly or has modified their appearence to be anything other than what they were born to look like I think of Michael Jackson at the end of his life.

He is a man who had just about everything anyone could ever want, yet he was so unhapppy with himself he spent millions cutting himself up to become what made him happy. Yet, he was never actually ever happy was he?

To me that is not hot, it's sad. I honestly think given unlimited funds many people would go down the road michael walked. despite what they look like on the outside they still have the same monster living in them Michael had.

I do not want someone with this demon they themselves can not control setting any standards in soceity.

[Drich]

Drich continues to mistake us for people who will believe any load of unfounded garbage.

Never let five minutes' research get in the way of good old fashioned bigotry and hate mongering.

when have I ever posted anything that can not be backed up from several different sources? I think you are confusing how you do things with how I do them.

[Drich]

I do agree that it's a mental disorder, but I still think they should be legally allowed to do whatever they want to their own bodies. It's not really my business if someone chooses to amputate their penis/boobs, and I'm not going to make a case about it or treat them differently because of it.  

Do I think this is the healthiest way of dealing with the disorder? I admit I'm no expert, but just from a personal common sense type perspective, it just seems to me like the healthier approach would be to treat the disorder through therapy/etc and help these people accept themselves for who they are. Rather than taking synthetic hormones and undergoing extensive surgeries to try to change.

Nonetheless, not my judgement to make on how another person chooses to live their life. My job is to love.

I wasnt talking about what transexual can or cant do to themselves. I am asking should they be allowed to set policies for the rest of society? Right now the big issue is can a man dressing like a woman be allowed to use the woman's bathroom?

The state of Mississippi and North Carolina says no, and Society is is in an up roar over it.

So then if GID is a mental disorder then why are transexuals in a position to set rules for society?

[Drich]

The issue seems much more complicated that what either you or Drich have said. Mental health problems are often a constellation of issues and cannot be attributed to a single specific illness or cause. The problems associated with gender-dysphoria cannot be fully attributed to social attitudes.  Most often the mentally ill are better served by accepting themselves as they are. That seems to me to be a very important difference between being gay and being transgendered. Positive self-acceptance for a gay person does not require a regime of hormonal treatments and/or invasive surgical procedures. Absent a serious physical illness, trying to change your existing biology to conform to how you think it "should be" is the exact opposite of self-acceptance.

Why doesn't it ever work though? The only proven effective treatment for transgendered is to let them transition.

It is not ideology. It is practice and experience. The medical establishment tried absolutely everything they could to stop transgendered people transitioning. Absolutely nothing else worked.

That's not true, there are some examples in the case study I posted of successful treatments that did not result in a sex change. it depends on the individual. Some transexuals want to be however they were born, they just need help.

[Drich]

This is a slippery slope.  What about cosmetic surgery?  Liposuction?  Breast implants?  Vaginal reconstruction surgery?  Hair transplant?  Tattoos?   Ear piercings?  Why are we picking on the transgendered here?  If transitioning allows them to feel well, and healthy, and whole, who is anyone to stand up against that?   Why would anyone want to?  Why are "we" so preoccupied with other people's sexuality and gender identity?  

Because trans people are ultimately wolves in sheeps clothing. meaning they on the inside are not what they are on the outside. All other examples of sheep or wolves modifying their sheepie-ness or wolvie-ness. In essence you are introducing an unknown into what is supposed to be a 'safe place.'

[LadyForCamus]

I do agree that it's a mental disorder, but I still think they should be legally allowed to do whatever they want to their own bodies. It's not really my business if someone chooses to amputate their penis/boobs, and I'm not going to make a case about it or treat them differently because of it.  

Do I think this is the healthiest way of dealing with the disorder? I admit I'm no expert, but just from a personal common sense type perspective, it just seems to me like the healthier approach would be to treat the disorder through therapy/etc and help these people accept themselves for who they are. Rather than taking synthetic hormones and undergoing extensive surgeries to try to change.

Nonetheless, not my judgement to make on how another person chooses to live their life. My job is to love.

I wasnt talking about what transexual can or cant do to themselves. I am asking should they be allowed to set policies for the rest of society? Right now the big issue is can a man dressing like a woman be allowed to use the woman's bathroom?

The state of Mississippi and North Carolina says no, and Society is is in an up roar over it.

So then if GID is a mental disorder then why are transexuals in a position to set rules for society?

It's not their fault that your "ick" response is interfering with their treatment. Maybe try asking yourself why you are so skeeved out by the thought of transsexuals sharing the bathroom with you? That's what all this boils down to anyway.

[robvalue]

He doesn't like people who are different from him. Shocker.

That's all this is about. No one who knows anything about this would question the mental competency of a random transgender person.

[Drich]

Transitioning may remove the feelings of gender-dysphoria. Sex reassignment is still not effective at reducing the suicide rates or other psychological problems, like substance abuse, of trans-gendered people. There are deeper issues at play.

Maybe the unchanging suicide rate has to do with being ostracized by society; with being shamed and ridiculed and made to feel defective and inadequate by binary-minded individuals who refuse to accept that gender identity and sexual preference fall onto a spectrum rather then in one of two immutable columns.  But, maybe not.

Suicide is not about a societal consensus. Meaning once you reach a certain level of disapproval one just kills themselves. Suicide is about personal contentment and whether or not you can find it with who or what you are. If their is a high suicide rate in a given segment of the community then in that segment their is a very high self dissatisfaction rate for whatever reason.

Disapproval for how society judges you is met with 'jihad/school or work place violence' not self harm.

[LadyForCamus]

Yeah...And worse, he won't even admit it. He tries (and fails) to hide behind threads like this thinly disguised as interest in discussing a politically heated issue, when it's obvious...he's just afraid of people who are different then he is. With a little encouragement from his good book of course. [emoji6]