Transexuals

[robvalue]

OK, so let's get real.

Even if this mindless bigotry and misinformation was to be acted on, how could it possibly work?

1) Genital scanning equipment outside toilets

2) Genital examination stations

3) ID cards that need validating every week/month by a doctor to make sure your genitals are what you say there are

I propose a much more simple solution:

4) Get the fuck over yourselves, and stop thinking so hard about other peoples' genitals

[LadyForCamus]

OK, so let's get real.

I propose a much more simple solution:

4) Get the fuck over yourselves, and stop thinking so hard about other people's genitals

Yep! And this should be the END of the discussion, right here.

I mean, I can't even think of one time where I was peeing in a public bathroom and thinking to myself...'gee, I wonder if the lady in the stall next to me has a dick?'

[Drich]

Because accomplishing 'great things' and contentment have nothing to do with identifying mental illness in a person.

Ever watch a beautiful mind with Russel crow?

Dude accomplish astounding things, and in time learned to be content. However he was literally in a functional state of perpetual delusion. He saw things and people who literally not there till he died a few years back.

Like it or not mathy, dude was mentally ill by all clinical definition and reasoning, even if he was able to manage it and find contentment.

Now just because he won a nobel prize does not mean this man was suitable or of sound mind to dictate unrestricted policy for the rest of humanity.

That is no different that allowing a functional drunk get behind the wheel and drive.

You're evading the question by focusing on one thing that I said. I shall put the rest in bold for you to answer:

If someone transitions and can as a consequent function perfectly well in society. If they are accepted as such in their chosen gender and no one knows their medical history, which becomes less and less relevant to their daily lives. If they are happy and contended with their lives and able to achieve great things, then how can they be considered mentally ill?

Remember that you said:

mentally Ill people by clinical definition have a impediment in how they think and or interact with others.

Seeing things that do not exist, validates a diagnosis of delusion. Being diagnosed with being delusional has nothing to do with your ability to adapt to life while seeing things that do not exist. Seeing something that does not exist is the impediment on our ability to think, that qualifies someone as being mentally ill. Now does it mean one can not be happy or any of the other things you mentioned no. Because one can indeed learn to live with said impediment, however that does not mean one is, nor ever should be in a position to dictate terms on how others should live.
Having such an impediment could cloud or even obscure a person's judgement.

[Drich]

Ah, no. I am saying people with mental disorders/mental illness should not be in a position to make laws that allows them to indulge their disorder.

Great, let's ban freedom of religion.

Again according to the book of Revelation that day is coming.

[BlackBird]

This is also quickly turning into "any kind of mental illness = mentally incompetent". Should all people with a mental health diagnosis be kept out of the bathroom for the safety of themselves and others? Should they all be kept from making public policy? Should I be allowed to be around kids (or in charge of my own kids) with a depression diagnosis in my past?

Even if transgender people technically have a mental illness, that doesn't mean they are incapable of making their own decisions. It doesn't make them dangerous. It doesn't mean they should be marginalized. It doesn't mean we should keep them out of power.

The implications here make me, frankly, sick.

probably cause your a douche making up a narrative as you go rather than sticking to what I've said. I suggested that the minority should not make enforceable laws for the majority. Especially when the minority is suffering from mental illness. Not only that those 'laws' also open up a 'loop hole' for sexual predators to exploit.

Again, it looks like we are so concerned about being P/C we are willing to check basic thought at the door.

 

Fair enough, there are lots of people in this thread. You accuse me here of making up a narrative. I was specifically addressing your question about people with mental illness making policy and strong implications that transgender people are basically mentally incompetent. I was just wondering what "narrative" I have made up because if I have misunderstood you, I'd like to address that.

[robvalue]

Yeah, he called them "mentally compromised" in the OP.

[Drich]

On the plus side for you they will not deem it a mental illness, to which I asked why, if it indeed fits the definition?

Because it's not a mental illness.

Again, GID by it's very name is a mental disorder which again fits the clinical definition of a mental illness. (one that takes treatment to alleviate one way or another.)

[LadyForCamus]

You're evading the question by focusing on one thing that I said. I shall put the rest in bold for you to answer:




Remember that you said:

Seeing things that do not exist, validates a diagnosis of delusion. Being diagnosed with being delusional has nothing to do with your ability to adapt to life while seeing things that do not exist. Seeing something that does not exist is the impediment on our ability to think, that qualifies someone as being mentally ill. Now does it mean one can not be happy or any of the other things you mentioned no. Because one can indeed learn to live with said impediment, however that does not mean one is, nor ever should be in a position to dictate terms on how others should live.
Having such an impediment could cloud or even obscure a person's judgement.

How is someone using a bathroom dictating how you live? No one is telling you which bathroom YOU have to use.

[Crossless2.0]

And he continues to use that word 'dictate'. I'm still waiting to see evidence that transgender people are dictating a goddamn thing, as opposed to wielding what little influence they have to effect change through appropriate channels.

[Crossless2.0]

Because it's not a mental illness.

Again, GID by it's very name is a mental disorder which again fits the clinical definition of a mental illness. (one that takes treatment to alleviate one way or another.)

And again, you keep on about GID, which is going away as a diagnostic category in DSM once the fifth edition comes out. Why do I have to repeat this again?