Transexuals

[LadyForCamus]

ah, no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

GID is anyone who is distressed/modifies behavior to emulate the opposite sex (from his/her assigned sex @ birth)

So ALL Transsexuals get classified as suffering from GID

From your link:

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."[10]

The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery

Annnnnnnd, the basis for Drich's argument crumbles to the ground like a stinky cookie.  ?

[Excited Penguin]

I can only offer my thoughts, not any definite knowledge on the matter - as per my phrasing. I will offer them gladly, though.

It's like thinking you're a chair instead of a human.

It would be a delusion to think you're a chair instead of a human. Trans people don't suffer from a delusion that they're another sex. What actually seems to be happening is that the sex of their brain does not match their genitals. The main consideration though, is whether being trans harms anyone else. It doesn't. So ultimately, it's none of our business.

I never even thought it could harm anyone else. My concern is with their well-being, as I already stated. And anyone's well-being is, collectively, everyone's concern - or, at least, it should be, to a certain extent.

Has this been scientifically proven, what I'm hearing of their brains, or is it simple conjecture?

[LadyForCamus]

Again, I'm not saying this is the sole reason why there needs to be a line and a 3rd bathroom for those who don't quite reach it yet. But it is definitely something that should be considered as a concern, and when we're dealing with this sort of thing, I think it wise to er on the side of caution.

But, I guess my question is: even if the determination was that transgendered individuals must use the bathroom which aligns with their anatomical gender no matter what, how would this law prevent a sex offender from disguising himself as a woman and committing a crime in a restroom? I don't see how such a law would realistically prevent sex crimes.

[Sterben]

People with modified bodies, they pose no general threat to others and they assume all the risks with there life choices. It's not a matter of you agree or disagree with those choices, it's a matter of if you can accept them as people in society. The assumption of all the medical risks falls on them and there choice to undergo a sex change operation. Should it be covered by a insurance? I don't think so, cosmetic surgery is not covered unless a rare criteria presents its self. A sex change would never fit it as a "necessary" surgery. John who weighs 500 pounds and is at risk would be covered for his surgery to lose weight, John who is a healthy and wants to become Jane cause he feels he is a woman on the inside, should not be covered under his PPO or HMO for a sex change. He would have to pay 100% out of pocket for the sex change. The bathroom issues are out of hand, a simple way of fixing it is this. If John who is now Jane still has a penis, he is still a he and has to use to the Men's room, if he has gotten his penis removed, he is a 100% legal woman and can use the Woman's restroom. Same goes for Jane who is now Jack.

[account_inactive]

Again, I'm not saying this is the sole reason why there needs to be a line and a 3rd bathroom for those who don't quite reach it yet. But it is definitely something that should be considered as a concern, and when we're dealing with this sort of thing, I think it wise to er on the side of caution.

But, I guess my question is:  even if the determination was that transgendered individuals must use the bathroom which aligns with their anatomical gender no matter what, how would this law prevent a sex offender from disguising himself as a woman and committing a crime in a restroom?  I don't see how such a law would realistically prevent sex crimes.

It wouldn't.

[LadyForCamus]

But, I guess my question is:  even if the determination was that transgendered individuals must use the bathroom which aligns with their anatomical gender no matter what, how would this law prevent a sex offender from disguising himself as a woman and committing a crime in a restroom?  I don't see how such a law would realistically prevent sex crimes.

It wouldn't.

Ditto. [emoji41]

[Jenny A]

By the way, this is the type of stuff I'm referring to. Fakes who might falsely claim transgenderism and peep into women's bathrooms and lockerrooms.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/...34761.html

Seriously.  Do you really think he was encouraged by transgenderism?  I think he was an ordinary garden variety pervert who would be saddened and possibly even detered by unisex bathrooms. They would make bathrooms as unexciting as the rest of the world. Whatever he was he's rather rarer than transgenders.

[Catholic_Lady]

But you are aware of the difference between crossdressers and transgender people?

I'm not so sure about that, reading your comments.

Of course I am lol. What did I say that made you think I am not?

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People with modified bodies, they pose no general threat to others and they assume all the risks with there life choices. It's not a matter of you agree or disagree with those choices, it's a matter of if you can accept them as people in society. The assumption of all the medical risks falls on them and there choice to undergo a sex change operation. Should it be covered by a insurance? I don't think so, cosmetic surgery is not covered unless a rare criteria presents its self. A sex change would never fit it as a "necessary" surgery. John who weighs 500 pounds and is at risk would be covered for his surgery to lose weight, John who is a healthy and wants to become Jane cause he feels he is a woman on the inside, should not be covered under his PPO or HMO for a sex change. He would have to pay 100% out of pocket for the sex change. The bathroom issues are out of hand, a simple way of fixing it is this. If John who is now Jane still has a penis, he is still a he and has to use to the Men's room, if he has gotten his penis removed, he is a 100% legal woman and can use the Woman's restroom. Same goes for Jane who is now Jack.

I just don't think trans people should be forced to have SRS to use the bathroom that suits their gender, and it's worth noting that most places (well, in my country anyway) don't provide a third bathroom.

Not everyone experiences dysphoria when it comes to their genitals, some only want top surgery and we should respect that. Some don't experience dysphoria at all.

There are also risks to the procedure and some people just decide it isn't worth it.

[Catholic_Lady]

Again, I'm not saying this is the sole reason why there needs to be a line and a 3rd bathroom for those who don't quite reach it yet. But it is definitely something that should be considered as a concern, and when we're dealing with this sort of thing, I think it wise to er on the side of caution.

But, I guess my question is:  even if the determination was that transgendered individuals must use the bathroom which aligns with their anatomical gender no matter what, how would this law prevent a sex offender from disguising himself as a woman and committing a crime in a restroom?  I don't see how such a law would realistically prevent sex crimes.

I never said it would "prevent sex crimes." I said allowing any person to use any restroom so long as they claim transgenderism would make it easier for pervs to get away with going into women's restrooms or lockerrooms for peeping purposes. 

Here's what I said a page back:

"And of course this can still happen despite it being illegal for physical males to go into women's bathrooms and lockerrooms. But making it legal just seems like it'll be that much easier to pull it off. If someone notices there is man dressed as a woman in the lady's room, they'll report it. But if anyone is allowed to go into any restroom so long as they claim transgenderism, it'll be much easier for the pervs to get away with it. If we draw the line at sex change, the transperson going in will actually look like a woman, rather than just look like a man in woman's clothing. That way it'll be much easier to tell apart the real trans verses the perv."