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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 9:19 am
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This is all irrelevant if it does not take us to the advertised conclusion, and you've stated -yourself- that it does not. If your argument for god is -actually- the veracity of these "attribute tracings" (which it appears to be) then perhaps you should address that subject primarily and directly, rather than offering these ancillary rationalizations?
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 9:46 am
Quote:I may have issues with your summarization. How do you define reality?
A reality is something that is real (i.e. something that actually exists, in contrast to only being apparent or being an illusion). In philosophy, reality is defined as something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 9:54 am
(May 10, 2016 at 9:46 am)TheMuslim Wrote: Quote:I may have issues with your summarization. How do you define reality?
A reality is something that is real (i.e. something that actually exists, in contrast to only being apparent or being an illusion). In philosophy, reality is defined as something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
Well, that's that then.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 10:04 am
(May 10, 2016 at 9:46 am)TheMuslim Wrote: Quote:I may have issues with your summarization. How do you define reality?
A reality is something that is real (i.e. something that actually exists, in contrast to only being apparent or being an illusion). In philosophy, reality is defined as something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
You could be nothing more than a computer simulation and the only way to prove or disprove it would be the ability to escape from the program and even that may be part of the simulation.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 10:50 am
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(May 10, 2016 at 9:46 am)TheMuslim Wrote: Quote:I may have issues with your summarization. How do you define reality?
A reality is something that is real (i.e. something that actually exists, in contrast to only being apparent or being an illusion). In philosophy, reality is defined as something that exists independently of ideas concerning it.
Reality is the quality of having existence. Do we both agree?
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 11:14 am
(March 12, 2016 at 2:39 am)TheMuslim Wrote: <snip the religious bullshit>
Looks to me that your "beautiful proof" is nothing more than Aquinas' third way, that of the uncaused causer, wrapped up in a lot of psychobabble. There is very little by way of concrete argument in what you've posted, but as far as I can see what it boils down to is "We exist>We are finite>???>Something must have caused us>That something must be eternal and uncaused>????>Allah exists, praise allah!"
If I am right, and there is very little in what you've given to hang any coherent argument on, here's a good example of some refutations.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 11:21 am
(March 12, 2016 at 9:31 am)Cato Wrote: This is nothing more than a repackaged ontological argument and fails for reasons established centuries ago.
Laconic take down, I like.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 11:30 am
(March 13, 2016 at 1:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (March 13, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Alex K Wrote: What are you trying to say?
It cannot be the universe. It can only be God by this argument.
Arbitrarily excluding possibilities because they disagree with your conclusions does nothing to validate your argument. In fact they show how threadbare and ridiculous it is.
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 12:23 pm
Quote:A reality is something that is real (i.e. something that actually exists, in contrast to only being apparent or being an illusion).
An illusion - or delusion - is exactly what I think of your god... and all the other gods humanity has invented. Now what?
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RE: Shia Islamic Argument for the existence of God
May 10, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Quote:Reality is the quality of having existence. Do we both agree?
Quality? Well, the word reality can be used as both a quality/adjective (e.g. "that has no reality") and as a noun (e.g. "that reality").
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