If You Don't Like It

[Alex K]

We discussed this when it was in the news here a coupla months ago. I think the situation was handled poorly. They should have used an alternate ritual (I came up with a short mutual bow after thinking about it for 30 seconds) and everyone would have been happy. Voilà, a workaround display of mutual respect between student and teacher.

[Angrboda]

So if you had a house guest who plopped his ass down on your couch and started telling you that he didn't like the color of your carpets and your furniture was shitty and why on earth were you serving lamb for dinner, you'd just sit there and take it?

Except in this case the people in question aren't guests and are assumed to be entitled to be there, as well as additional rights, such as the freedom to seek redress under law for a practice they consider to be onerous and without adequate justification. The whole "you're different so you should only have the rights of a guest" is a flawed procedure.

[Mister Agenda]

No. What Drumpf said was "you can't come."  Somewhat different.

That's what he said about Muslims. I'm thinking of something he said about immigrants, but I could easily be wrong. Maybe he's better than that, or at least didn't use those exact words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergo_decedo

[Chad32]

Why would you tell such a person he had to stay?

Why would you tell someone who doesn't want to shake your hand, to do it anyway? This is just too silly. Bad enough that they do it at all, without it actually being enforced.

[FatAndFaithless]

We discussed this when it was in the news here a coupla months ago. I think the situation was handled poorly. They should have used an alternate ritual (I came up with a short mutual bow after thinking about it for 30 seconds) and everyone would have been happy. Voilà, a workaround display of mutual respect between student and teacher.

I agree that a short bow would probably be more acceptable to the students than a handshake. However (and forgive me if you discussed this earlier), any sort of forced ritual intended to engender 'respect' for your teacher kind of defeats its own purpose if it's forced, in my opinion.  Forcing a kid to bow or give a handshake doesn't necessarily encourage them to have more respect for their teacher (or elder/parent/country/etc), and it can certainly cause the opposite if there is force behind it.

[Mister Agenda]

One of the things I hated about the military was the forced respect for those who didn't deserve it, 'respect the uniform'. I understand the necessity of it for combat preparedness, but it was one of the reasons I got out as soon as I could do so with an honorable discharge.

[WinterHold]

Personally, the rule is very simple: as long as others don't inflict physical harm to you, either directly or indirectly, then it means THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR RIGHT, and it means THEY DO RESPECT YOU.

Those people didn't harm anybody.

I will stand against face veil for example because if poses a security threat (see my profile pic: I can do whatever I want with nobody recognizing my face :p ), I too will stand against racist banners since they would hurt the feelings of others.
I will stand against Muslims who want to force their vision on non-Muslims.

They don't want to shake hands mainly because they are "too conservative" and don't want to get horny by the touch of the opposing side's flesh; I, personally, think it's too much, but it's personal freedom !

If you force local traditions on others, then what is the difference between you, and the Arab bedwins who force their 9 years old daughters to marry 80 years old men again?because of what the local tradition dictates? what's the difference in terms of concept; really? focus on the "tradition enforcing"; not on the disgusting sexual intercourse.

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That, to me, is a racist society that doesn't accept change, a bigoted authority that thinks it has the right to intervene in peoples' personal lives.

But again, isn't that the curse of nationalism?
Humans are so tribal, indeed.

[Spinchance]

Personally, the rule is very simple: as long as others don't inflict physical harm to you, either directly or indirectly, then it means THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR RIGHT, and it means THEY DO RESPECT YOU.

Those people didn't harm anybody.

I will stand against face veil for example because if poses a security threat (see my profile pic: I can do whatever I want with nobody recognizing my face :p ), I too will stand against racist banners since they would hurt the feelings of others.
I will stand against Muslims who want to force their vision on non-Muslims.

They don't want to shake hands mainly because they are "too conservative" and don't want to get horny by the touch of the opposing side's flesh; I, personally, think it's too much, but it's personal freedom !

If you force local traditions on others, then what is the difference between you, and the Arab bedwins who force their 9 years old daughters to marry 80 years old men again?because of what the local tradition dictates? what's the difference in terms of concept; really? focus on the "tradition enforcing"; not on the disgusting sexual intercourse.

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That, to me, is a racist society that doesn't accept change, a bigoted authority that thinks it has the right to intervene in peoples' personal lives.

But again, isn't that the curse of nationalism?
Humans are so tribal, indeed.

Agree with your opinion. 

The veil:
Islam degrades women by assuming that they are responsible for the lust in men, that they must be hidden, covered, and prevented from full participation in society. This is evil. 


What Muslims should not touch and should avoid:
 Urine
 Faeces
 Semen
 Dead body
 Blood
 Dog
 Pig
 Kafirs (non-muslims) are najis – unclean, impure and best avoided.
 Alcoholic liquors
 The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

[WinterHold]

Agree with your opinion. 

The veil:
Islam degrades women by assuming that they are responsible for the lust in men, that they must be hidden, covered, and prevented from full participation in society. This is evil. 

No, women cause us men to lust; men though cause women to lust. Islam stated that explicitly, the Quran directly orders Muslim men to keep their sites away and their private parts "protected"; while women keep their sites away and their private parts protected but with covering the important parts in the body that would make men drool.

Come on, don't tell me you're not getting an erection from the scene of a smooth butt or meaty breasts; or white feet ?? how do we have sex again?

What Muslims should not touch and should avoid:

Bring it:

Urine

Ew yes ! I can't pray while there's urine on my clothes or body, do you blame us for getting clean?
As for "watersports" and "golden showers", mmm IDK about pissing fetish..

Anyhow I don't think it's normal to touch piss anyhow.

Faeces

If you mean "faces"; then the Quran didn't say anything about that, but it is weird to touch peoples' faces out of the blue. Nobody does it.

If you mean "feces", 2 girls 1 cup wasn't a nice experience; fart-related fetish is also sexy -at sometimes only-, I gotta admit seeing a hot girl accedintaly fart is pretty damn hot !!! but not always of course; farts stink ! I would hate to be out with a "fart factory" girl, but I would sure enjoy a small fart that makes her get embarrassed.

But not feces !!! ew !!

Semen

Also, the Quran described semen as "degrading water"; I don't think it's polite anyhow to go deal with people while your hands have semen on them.
But when I masturbate, semen always gets to my hand..I wash it,take a shower, and pray afterwards normally.

Where did you get that it's forbidden to touch it?
Please don't tell me you believed sunni sources now!

 Dead body

Yes necrophilia is not nice !!!!!
But no, we have to touch the dead if we want to bury them now, won't we ?

Blood

We're not vampires. I would love to be like one though.
Can you imagine, I loved twilight??????

But this is the vampire I mean:

 Dog

You and sunni sources again!
The Quran disagrees with you:

Sura 18
( 16 )   [The youths said to one another], "And when you have withdrawn from them and that which they worship other than Allah, retreat to the cave. Your Lord will spread out for you of His mercy and will prepare for you from your affair facility."
( 17 )   And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left, while they were [laying] within an open space thereof. That was from the signs of Allah. He whom Allah guides is the [rightly] guided, but he whom He leaves astray - never will you find for him a protecting guide.
( 18 )   And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.

If those young, good believers  had a dog, then how do you back up your statement?
The word of God, is stronger than a mere Hadith.

Pig

 Kafirs (non-muslims) are najis – unclean, impure and best avoided.

Not physically. That's just stupid..

Especially when God says this in the Quran:

Sura 9
( 7 )   How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

 Alcoholic liquors

Is there a problem??
A drink, that would gets my mind clouded and my stomach turned upside down, it's not for everybody, we're asked to avoid consuming it, but there is already evidence that Muslims in the past did consume it with limitations.

 The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

I have a cat that licks the shit out of my hand.

[vorlon13]

Gee, they would have really hated parochial school then . . . .