Eliete of Terroists

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, except that they were under duress from white colonials, who cleverly manouvered their angst onto a group that they conveniently hated themselves. We supported isreal because of the holocaust...except that we actually didn't. We let them whither in the desert until it was clear that they could handle their shit. We routinely denied isreal aid, even made it illegal to aid isreal. They actually had to smuggle their rinky dink airforce in...and recruit pilots, also smuggled in, who were threatened with all manner of nasty legal consequences...until they beat the shit out of their neighbors. See, we never really liked jews either.

Then, and only then...the light bulb came on in the halls of american power. If this tiny group of people, beholden to us, can embarrass all comers in a strategically important area surrounded by oilfields.....we might have something on our hands. Harris, here, though...thinks that we're the puppets, and that the jews were the masters. Talk about hoodwinked.

As to us staying out of the middle east....nah, we were all over that shit, cold war besties - until we weren't. Our relationship with the middle east has changed, fundamentally, in living memory...and it didn't happen -because- of our support of isreal or -because- we meddled...used to be we meddled in their favor. We also didn't overly concern ourselves with how much our then-besties wanted to destroy our own newly minted allies. Our eye was on the prize. Mother Russia.

[abaris]

It is, and you've got to wonder what the lowly jews could have -possibly- done to all the high and mighty master races who've harbored this shit in their hearts since time immemorial.  

You know, from a purely historical perspective, antisemitism has it's roots in the Middle Ages. And it's not the obvious killer argument of jews having nailed the saviour to the cross. It's purely materialistic. The church forbid christians to do business with interests involved. So the jews stepped in as money lenders to the high and mighty. That's where the original stereotype comes from. They, well I should say some, were money lenders and got rich that way. It's no coincidence that during the first crusade, certain jewish communities got attacked. It was the very communities lending money to the Crusaders. So, apart from doing the lord's work, as they put it, they also got rid of debt.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah,  you just can't make some people happy.  First they come begging for coin, then they get all pissy that you're lending coin.  Reminds me of those folks in the middle east who graciously took our toys, and then..later, got angry that we were handing out toys.

(in the case of the middle east, blood libel and russian zionism were the popular points, pre-ww2.....echoed here in this thread, obviously)

[Homeless Nutter]

You know, from a purely historical perspective, antisemitism has it's roots in the Middle Ages. And it's not the obvious killer argument of jews having nailed the saviour to the cross. It's purely materialistic. The church forbid christians to do business with interests involved. So the jews stepped in as money lenders to the high and mighty. That's where the original stereotype comes from.[...]

I believe originally Jews were hated in Europe because they were poor refugees from the Middle East - just like many European muslims are now. They were discriminated against and often kept in ghettos, some of which over centuries turned into towns and cities. In many countries Jews were forbidden from owning land, which is why they turned to trade and money lending. The fact that they refused to assimilate and adapt the culture of the "gentiles" among whom they were living, as well as their reluctance to interbreed - not to mention their stubborn refusal to accept divinity of Christ - made them a perfect scapegoat throughout the past 1000 years, or so.

[Iroscato]

This thread is fucking hilarious, but also makes me very, very sad.

[abaris]

I believe originally Jews were hated in Europe because they were poor refugees from the Middle East - just like many European muslims are now.

There was discrimination, but it only started with christianity. There were quite a number of jews in imperial Rome and a significant number of jews simply stayed after Jerusalem was sacked. I'm not sure if you can call medieval jews refugees from the Middle East, since almost a thousand years went by after Titus destroyed Judea.

The irony is that jews were much better off in muslim realms at the time. In the Middle Ages the muslim world was much more tolerant towards other religions than the christian world. Same goes for Middle Eastern and Spanish christians.

[Thumpalumpacus]

If atheists do not believe in the existence of God, then why they are not treating all religions indifferently. Why there are exceptions for Zionism?

Because unlike these raging twats in America, Jews don't generally try to ensconce their beliefs into law, don't come knocking on my door trying to sell me their idiocy, don't come to this forum running their goddamned pieholes about shit they're ignorant of.

I reject all religious faith. I get along with courteous believers. I don't have any time for assholes who don't have the decency to keep their fairy tale to theirselves.

[The Grand Nudger]

You know what really grinds me?  When ignorant shitwits own fairytales aren;t enough....and they have to spice it up with shit like jewspiricies or what not.  IDK what Harris is bitching about...this must -all- be the will of Allah, right?  It;s not anyone elses fault that allah loves the jews more...after all..he was their god first and foremost. That's bound to come with some perks.

Stop bitching about super djinn's plan and bow to his chosen people, like you were told....right? OFC you're going to end up under the heel of a divinely sanctioned davidic king, as is just and right and proper...that's what allah promised...and allahs not a liar, is he?

[bennyboy]

This is the thing that puzzles me about all of these religious. How fucking WEAK is their God, that his plans can't unfold except at the ring of a doorbell, the tip of a spear, or the tick of a bomb? Why would God, creator of billions of galaxies each with billions of stars, need a bunch of Arabs to shoot up a French cafe to prove his greatness?

It seems to me that the most "faithful" are really those who lack faith. And here's another thing-- given the ambiguities and confusion about the Quran and other holy books-- why is it that these guys think God couldn't bring a modern message? Where are the legitimate profits of the new age? Why are there only fuckwits?

[Cyberman]

"God" must be the least powerful entity in the Universe - it can't even take offence by itself.