Eliete of Terroists

[Cyberman]

I don't think saying you won't view material, or are not willing to address it, is a good response to a post.

It's the old Sir Humphrey trick - bury whatever point they're making in the middle of a pile of boring, inconsequential shit. If you don't make it that far, they won't do another damn thing; but a hundred pages later they will swear that they already gave you the evidence and it's not their fault you ignored it.

Don't try to pull a Civil Service on an ex-Civil Servant.

[Iroscato]

When you start talking about Jewish conspiracies and supporting any kind of civilian target attacks, then you are delusional and hateful, and will never EVER do anything in threads like this except consolidate every non-muslim's position against you.

When I saw this 6h and 30m long documentary for the first time I filled with humiliation and embarrassment. How comes I got influenced by the Jewish/atheist media and without having appropriate evidences hated German Nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g

All what I want to say against Zionism and Atheism is in this Documentary.

Damn son, you sat through 400 minutes of this shit? We need to get Harris a girlfriend, guys :|

[The Grand Nudger]

How about a nice jewish girl?

[bennyboy]

I don't think saying you won't view material, or are not willing to address it, is a good response to a post.

It's the old Sir Humphrey trick - bury whatever point they're making in the middle of a pile of boring, inconsequential shit. If you don't make it that far, they won't do another damn thing; but a hundred pages later they will swear that they already gave you the evidence and it's not their fault you ignored it.

Don't try to pull a Civil Service on an ex-Civil Servant.

Right.  Well, I fast-forwarded to about episode 20, which talked about a lack of evidence for cyanide killings.  It mentioned that the vast collections of hair and shoes, which are often used as a symbol of all the people who were killed there, aren't actually evidence of killings-- since prisoners were all shorn and given new shoes as part of the prison uniform.  It said that the hatches in the ceiling, which were supposed to have been for dropping in cyanide, were installed post-WWII.  It said that some scientist or other (a name was given) had checked the walls for residue indicating the presence of cyanide, and had found none.

I don't know the truth about those things, and certainly they do not accord with what teachers and others have told me, but they seem credible enough that I'd have to research them if I actually cared enough whether there had been a Holocaust.  I'm very wary of situations where the majority will dog-pile with mockery, but will not address the points.

That being said, Harris needs to idea a couple of really critical points, and provide proper evidence.  Personally, I just don't care enough about the Muslims OR the Jews to wade through that huge documentary.  Even if there WERE a Jewish conspiracy, I probably wouldn't care, since I assume that all governments and rich people are "conspiring"-- in other words, trying to get even more power and money by bending or abusing the system.

[bennyboy]

How about a nice jewish girl?

I'd bet $1000 that there is Jewish porn on Harris' computer right now.  Dirty, dirty, jewessesssss!

[bennyboy]

People like Harris are beyond redemption - you can't offer them any facts they can't stubbornly deny. If they were to believe, that Jews are not an evil race, bent on world domination - they'd have to admit to themselves, that they've been hateful c*nts for no good reason and that they deserve the admonishing they get - and it takes a way bigger person to be able to do that, than your average anti-semitic sh*t-stain...

This may be true. However, you are spouting the same hateful attitude toward him that he is toward Jews-- all vitriol and no actual point being made. Let's assume that we're ALL cunts of one stripe or another, and get down to the work of proving that what Harris says is not true.

The problem I have isn't what Harris believes-- it's that most of his statements have been too general to be worth addressing, or too farfetched-sounding to be believed at face value. He needs a few simple points with compelling evidence, that the eggheads here can dig up evidence on and discuss.

[The Grand Nudger]

No -he- doesn't.  You do.  He's clearly content with what he has, lol.

[abaris]

I don't know the truth about those things, and certainly they do not accord with what teachers and others have told me, but they seem credible enough that I'd have to research them if I actually cared enough whether there had been a Holocaust.  I'm very wary of situations where the majority will dog-pile with mockery, but will not address the points.

But you could know the truth about it. For one, you could listen to the Himmler speech I posted. That's coming directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. A few idiots try to sell it as fake, but it's accepted by the whole scientific community and there are also transcriptions made of the speech at the time. Speer, in his later years, tried his utmost to prove that he wasn't there to save his legend.

You could also watch or read the transcriptions of the Nuremberg tribunal. Among others Höss, commander of Auschwitz and a certain Otto Ohlendorf were witnesses. The didn't even try to deny what was happening. Höss admitted to 2 millions being killed during his command alone. Ohlendorf, head of an Einsatzgruppe, admitted to 80.000 being shot by his unit alone. There's also the testimony of Oswald Pohl, more or less the quartermaster of the SS, who went to great length explaining how they obtained sufficient quantities of Cyclon B from the IG Farben.

Franz Stangl, commander of Treblinka and Sobibor gave testimony at his own trial in the late 60ies. Eichmann at Jerusalem made no effort to deny the final solution. He even took pride in penning down the protocol of the Wannsee conference in early 1942, which set the final solution in motion. And not only in Jerusalem. Eichmann gave a series of interviews to journalist Willem Sassen, back in the 50ies, when he was still at large. There he confirmed every bit of what he said in Jerusalem. Look up the transripts.

Look up the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt between the years 1963 and 1965. Look up the testimony of Konrad Morgen. Former SS judge and investigating Auschwitz on suspicion of corruption in 1943.

And last, but certainly not least. There are numerous testimonies by Holocaust survivors, some of them working at the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz, who were ocupied with getting rid of the corpses.

There's ample evidence for the Holocaust happening exactly according to the accepted narrative. There's no evidence of it not happening or being less murderous.

[Angrboda]

It's the old Sir Humphrey trick - bury whatever point they're making in the middle of a pile of boring, inconsequential shit. If you don't make it that far, they won't do another damn thing; but a hundred pages later they will swear that they already gave you the evidence and it's not their fault you ignored it.

Don't try to pull a Civil Service on an ex-Civil Servant.

Right.  Well, I fast-forwarded to about episode 20, which talked about a lack of evidence for cyanide killings . . . It said that some scientist or other (a name was given) had checked the walls for residue indicating the presence of cyanide, and had found none.

The Leuchter Report

Holocaust denialists often point to the Armleuchter[99] Leuchter Report as 'evidence' that the gas chambers were not gas chambers. The Leuchter report found that significantly fewer cyanide traces were found in the gas chambers than in the delousing chambers, and concluded that this somehow proves that the gas chambers never contained HCN. This conclusion is based on incorrect assumptions about the concentrations of HCN needed to kill lice and to kill humans. In delousing clothes, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in 15 minutes or so. Not only were the concentrations themselves higher, but the length of contact was much greater. Thus, the walls of the delousing facility should have a much greater concentration of detectable cyanide today, which is what the original Leuchter report and the Polish report both confirm. [100] The main problem with Leuchter's original report is a flaw in the major premise: that cyanide traces should be found in the homicidal gas chambers at a comparable rate as found in the delousing chambers. This is completely backward to reality, and it plays on a misunderstanding that people have about HCN. The average person would believe that it would take as much, if not more, HCN to kill a person than to kill a lice or flea. However, this is not the case. In fact, a much lower concentration of HCN is needed to kill any warm-blooded animal as opposed to cold-blooded. The institute's team found significant potassium cyanide residue in delousing facility samples, while next to none in alleged "gas chamber" samples. If the gas chambers were used for something other than murder, NO as in ZERO cyanide should have been found there. Not even the smallest trace amount. The fact that Leuchter did find trace amounts of cyanide in the gas chamber walls confirms, contrary to the Leuchter's report's conclusions, that they were, in fact, gas chambers.

Much of Leuchter's claims are refuted in Errol Morris' 1999 documentary Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr..

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

I have no intention of watching 6 hours of holocaust denier propaganda. Harris can likely find the answers at http://www.nizkor.org/ if he so desires.

[Silver]

Terrorism, in the end, is nothing more than the media preying on the fears of the viewers.