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A quick word on "Overwhelmingly Negative Influences"
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That's a pretty narrow construction of a rule that contains the word "overwhelming". Seems to me that derailing a thread is not the only, much less the worst, negative influence a member can exert on the forum.
(October 20, 2016 at 1:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(October 20, 2016 at 9:59 am)Faith No More Wrote: Well, I guess how much this particular "Overwhelming Negatve Influence" is actually contributing to discussions is up for debate, then. Given how much he(and let's face it, we all know who is being discussed) likes to antagonize and minimize the feelings of anyone that shows the slightest bit of vulnerability due to past experience, spends dozens of pages arguing semantics only to try and backtrack later, courts controversy for the sake of courting controversy, and generally relishes in getting a reaction out of people, I'm confident he's just trolling at this point. This "he" has got to be Randy Carson. What form has he taken this time?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
RE: A quick word on "Overwhelmingly Negative Influences"
October 20, 2016 at 2:05 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2016 at 2:13 pm by Fidel_Castronaut.)
That is a very misguided and uninformed accusation and assessment, Nymph. I don't recall ever discussing the financial situation or flow of traffic to the forum in our discussions in the staff areas. Of course you have to take my word on that, but it's true.
Indeed, the flow of traffic and financial support for the forum in relation to this discussion is, for me, irrelevant. It comes down more to the basic foundation of the forum, a forum I joined several years ago and which I stuck around on and contribute to both with time and money because I agree with the free speech ethos. Advertisements don't bring in any money, the only thing that does is the contributions I and the other contributers pay out of our own coffers. So you'll excuse me for taking issue with the accusation that all we care about is controversy to generate revenue. It's way wide of the mark. I doubt I can say anything to placate you or the situation that has arisen as a result of the discussions in other threads. Apart from stating the obvious that this is the Internet, and not everyone will agree all the time, this forum has always, and will always, be based on people speaking their mind. Of course we regulate where needed, and we discuss (and discuss extensively) when matters such as this arise. But we are not in the business of policing beliefs or reactions to those beliefs. As abhorrent as some people's beliefs are, and as 'offensive' as their reactions and posts might be, people are not going to be banned for airing them. The forum is replete with harsh posts, and even harsher responses, and allah knows I've been involved in some of them in the past, but I am thankful those conversations and interactions were not stymied based on the reactions of myself or others. Love atheistforums.org? Consider becoming a patreon and helping towards our server costs.
The irony here is that we got rid of ads in part because the ad network started requiring us to delete posts containing "offensive" language and sexual themes. We decided we didn't want to do that.
(October 20, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That's a pretty narrow construction of a rule that contains the word "overwhelming". Seems to me that derailing a thread is not the only, much less the worst, negative influence a member can exert on the forum. Did you miss this part? "Disrupting a discussion can happen in many ways" RE: A quick word on "Overwhelmingly Negative Influences"
October 20, 2016 at 2:10 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2016 at 2:11 pm by Shell B.)
I want to also point out that controversy makes it harder to get ad service, not easier.
Crap. Tubby got there first. (October 20, 2016 at 8:47 am)Tiberius Wrote: Several people have voiced their opinions regarding members that staff has been reluctant to ban under the "Overwhelmingly Negative Influences" rules, despite the fact that members sometimes say very upsetting and even abhorrent things to other members. This is all well and good, but at what point do you worry that the inmates will run the asylum? Because while the person in question hasn't violated those rules you mentioned, he has, with stated intent, deliberately written atrocious things simply to piss people off. I mean, shit, I reported one such post where he admits it in the thread that started this whole drama. And yeah, we can ignore, use the ignore feature, etc., but that has never been a real solution. Why? Because some people don't like ignoring others out of principle. And someone quoting an ignored person has that ignored person's text in the non-ignored person's message. And there's always some newbie who, not knowing the personalities here, engages and quickly finds themselves bombarded with bullshit when all they want is support. I mean, shit, how many times have the old vultures circled around kids who were just barely getting comfortable with the mere idea of questioning their beliefs? I dunno. I'm *this* close to saying "fuck it" myself. Because we shouldn't tolerate someone like the person in question being able to run off other, positively contributing people from the community. I'd rather have 100 Mamacita's than Drich. I'd rather have 1000 Robs than Drich. And that it's even up for debate is, frankly, idiotic. And, keep in mind, no one is saying "Drich is a Christian! Get him!" What we're saying is that he intentionally tries to hurt people, and that when he succeeds you guys are like "Whelp, nothing we can do. Deal with it yourselves" which is utter bullshit. Get off your asses and mod. There's more to modding than getting rid of spammers and sock puppets. I know, I did it at another place for 5-6 years. And, yeah, sometimes it's difficult. But you need to do it, otherwise you'll have no forum left. Because people don't want to deal with his kind of bullshit all the time, and like I said above you can't just ignore it. Not if you're actually trying to stay engaged with the forum. And, really, fuck the idea of making those of us who don't make (many) waves have to curtail our behavior on here in order to tolerate the existence of the utter assholes. You know what? Fuck it. I'm out, too.
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Not my fault I'm tubby, it's all that delicious eggnog.
Again I wish I knew for sure what was going on but I'd say "lighten up, people." If someone says something you don't like, tell them off.
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