#Pizzagate

[The Grand Nudger]

Here's Pence, babbling about anything -but- what he was asked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wkJap3nAGc

[Mister Agenda]

Bolded mine.  What's bigger?  There's nothing here, just ridiculous fever dreams of anti-Clinton fanatics and internet trolls.  If this is such a huge story, then why don't you go out and do some investigatory journalism, unless you yourself lack the integrity that you accuse us of missing.

Or hey how about you take a look at the snopes I linked and let me know what you think of that, for a start.

I did, they didn't seriously adress any of the evidence. They reconised one picture, and dismissed the entire case! They rip the evidence out of context and ofcourse it's going to make it look radical. Then it goes on to explain it's orgions again not taking a seruous look at the evidence. Furthermore they quote an interview bewtween the shop owner claiming his innocince... Okay... Are you going to take his word for it like that? Is that we are all trained to do as intiliectual idividuals? NO. We INVESTIGATE, and come up with our own conclusions.

So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

[Soldat Du Christ]

I did, they didn't seriously adress any of the evidence. They reconised one picture, and dismissed the entire case! They rip the evidence out of context and ofcourse it's going to make it look radical. Then it goes on to explain it's orgions again not taking a seruous look at the evidence. Furthermore they quote an interview bewtween the shop owner claiming his innocince... Okay... Are you going to take his word for it like that? Is that we are all trained to do as intiliectual idividuals? NO. We INVESTIGATE, and come up with our own conclusions.

So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

And are you you aware of the various other scandals and cover ups in high places from the past? Why is this such a stretch? Except now we have alot more reasonable suspicion.

Please attempt to justify this mans (and employees) posts, the owner of an "all ages" resturaunt.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM

The underground tunnel theory was based off of a picture of some work being done on the lower floor. It's probable it could be irrigation maintenence. However there is no denying the various connections the nearbye shops all share.

[LastPoet]

*goes in here looking for pizza*

*walks out dusappointed*

[Aroura]

I'm not going to sit through a video right now. Fill me in on the details, starting with what this is about in the first place.

I'm not keen on giving some tinfoiler even more clicks. Perhaps you could lay out the case, SdC?

For the uninitiated, it's basically people looked at an email dump, determined they were code messages because emails without context are super secret code word filled mails by default. But they weren't creepy enough yet, so some intelligent people figured out that if they replaced all pizza references with pedophile related references the emails suddenly seem like satanic emails, and hence it was concluded that they must've been about a globe trotting pedoring.

My understanding of the case is that the story was invented from whole cloth FIRST, and THEN some people used the emails and "found" a code in them to justify the invented story.
So this is one of those 100% fake news stories that gained a life of it's own, because some people are really this gullible.
Kakistocracy, here we come!

---

So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

And are you you aware of the various other scandals and cover ups in high places from the past? Why is this such a stretch? Except now we have alot more reasonable suspicion.

Please attempt to justify this mans (and employees) posts, the owner of an "all ages" resturaunt.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM

The underground tunnel theory was based off of a picture of some work being done on the lower floor. It's probable it could be irrigation maintenence. However there is no denying the various connections the nearbye shops all share.

You know a lot of cities have unused underground tunnels.  Some of them have even been used for nefarious puropses in the past (Such as press gangs in Astoria).  Just because the tunnels exist doesn't make the rest of the story true.

---

So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

And are you you aware of the various other scandals and cover ups in high places from the past? Why is this such a stretch? Except now we have alot more reasonable suspicion.

Please attempt to justify this mans (and employees) posts, the owner of an "all ages" resturaunt.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM

The underground tunnel theory was based off of a picture of some work being done on the lower floor. It's probable it could be irrigation maintenence. However there is no denying the various connections the nearbye shops all share.

Ok, I took a deep breath and looked at these pictures.
I see nothing wrong.  A few people trying REALLY hard to strecth (the yellow beads, really?  My kid makes beaded necklaces and gives them to me.  Does not make either of us pedo's, jeezus dude.).
The one where he's covered in blood in panties is explained right on it, it was Halloween.

The rest seem pretty normal stuff.  People seeing sick things in this are the sick ones.

[Soldat Du Christ]

For the uninitiated, it's basically people looked at an email dump, determined they were code messages because emails without context are super secret code word filled mails by default. But they weren't creepy enough yet, so some intelligent people figured out that if they replaced all pizza references with pedophile related references the emails suddenly seem like satanic emails, and hence it was concluded that they must've been about a globe trotting pedoring.

My understanding of the case is that the story was invented from whole cloth FIRST, and THEN some people used the emails and "found" a code in them to justify the invented story.
So this is one of those 100% fake news stories that gained a life of it's own, because some people are really this gullible.
Kakistocracy, here we come!

---

And are you you aware of the various other scandals and cover ups in high places from the past? Why is this such a stretch? Except now we have alot more reasonable suspicion.

Please attempt to justify this mans (and employees) posts, the owner of an "all ages" resturaunt.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM

The underground tunnel theory was based off of a picture of some work being done on the lower floor. It's probable it could be irrigation maintenence. However there is no denying the various connections the nearbye shops all share.

You know a lot of cities have unused underground tunnels.  Some of them have even been used for nefarious puropses in the past (Such as press gangs in Astoria).  Just because the tunnels exist doesn't make the rest of the story true.

---

And are you you aware of the various other scandals and cover ups in high places from the past? Why is this such a stretch? Except now we have alot more reasonable suspicion.

Please attempt to justify this mans (and employees) posts, the owner of an "all ages" resturaunt.
https://sli.mg/a/gaffhM

The underground tunnel theory was based off of a picture of some work being done on the lower floor. It's probable it could be irrigation maintenence. However there is no denying the various connections the nearbye shops all share.

Ok, I took a deep breath and looked at these pictures.
I see nothing wrong.  A few people trying REALLY hard to strecth (the yellow beads, really?  My kid makes beaded necklaces and gives them to me.  Does not make either of us pedo's, jeezus dude.).
The one where he's covered in blood in panties is explained right on it, it was Halloween.

The rest seem pretty normal stuff.  People seeing sick things in this are the sick ones.

I don't care about the beeds.

Why don't you try to justify jimmy comet calling a baby a #hotard? "#Hotard"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=hotard

Try to justify him calling a man holding a baby a #chicken lover...
Chicken lover:
"Paedophile one with a sexual attraction, and need for young boys, under the age of consent."

http://odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=8&t=2819

Try to justify the man holding sleepovers at a buisness with more children than adults it seems.

Try to justify the same guy from earlyer with the tags #whydoesdaddylikebutt & #youllfindoutwhenyourolder

The drag queen guy was inside the pizza place, you can see the ping pong table in the back. Was he there at night after buisness hours? During the day? This is not normal even for holoween don't be rediculous

Why is this guy "werkinonmahnightcheese" repetedly commenting #killroom and say he owns a kill room amd posts pictures of coffins that he hand crafts the size of children...

[FatAndFaithless]

So, Soldat, do you believe this conspiracy theory?

[vorlon13]

I did, they didn't seriously adress any of the evidence. They reconised one picture, and dismissed the entire case! They rip the evidence out of context and ofcourse it's going to make it look radical. Then it goes on to explain it's orgions again not taking a seruous look at the evidence. Furthermore they quote an interview bewtween the shop owner claiming his innocince... Okay... Are you going to take his word for it like that? Is that we are all trained to do as intiliectual idividuals? NO. We INVESTIGATE, and come up with our own conclusions.

So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

In science, every link in a chain of argument must be intact for the conclusion to be looked at as confirmed/viable.

In religion, OTOH, breaking a single link in a chain of argument has no effect, like Jesus' followers having to keep the law to enter the Kingdom according to Matthew, but absolutely not having to keep the law according to Paul would completely disprove all  versions of Christianity relying on Matthew and Paul as sacred dogma if religion was played by 'science rules'.

That there are not tunnels with children and giraffes in them beneath Comet Ping Pong does not, in the eyes  of conspiracy folks who play by religious rules of evidence instead of science rules, is not conclusive proof to them that there is no pedo ring being run by Podesta and Hillary (how does Anthony Weiner get a pass on this, BTW?).  And then we have some seemingly confirming facts, such as Trump being involved by his association with the billionaire pedo guy with the business jet, which is in fact true, and we're looking at a clusterfuck that is going to have some legs now.  And then having Bill, instead of Hillary, flying on the pedo-jet too, although apparently not at the same time as Trump, over 2 dozen times, well, to these conspiracy folks, there is some 'there' there.

That it circles back to Trump is pretty funny, BTW, and looking over his reported peeping at the teen pageant and a taste in mistresses and wives that trends to the younger side of the demographics, it's real easy to see where this mess could bite Trump on the ass in regards to the pedo thing.

[downbeatplumb]

Dominos do a chicken lovers pizza over here. It seems to be a pizza that has chicken as a topping.

This sort of crap is appearing on my facebook clogging up my timeline with untrue stories. Time for it to stop now.

[The Grand Nudger]

chicken with buffalo sauce, blue cheese instead of red, colby/chedda instead of motz.  Nomnomnom.

Saw someone ask why this one was such a stretch, up above...and I;m left thinking "You mean...other... than it being completely and wholly untrue, why, other than that?".........