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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 1:31 am
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(February 11, 2017 at 1:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm taking it up with you since it's a concept YOU seem to have a problem with.
Me? Not at all. Your beliefs don't need to be proven because your beliefs and proof are mutually exclusive. I've been trying to bring yall around to that for ages. The people who consider your shared faith a "justified true belief"...however, might take issue.
Quote:How about not being a coward for once and answer the question.
Is it your position that belief and faith are not mutually exclusive?
Belief and faith....weren't you talking about belief and proof? I guess we've reached the balking point. OFC it was too good to be true, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 2:00 am
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(February 11, 2017 at 1:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 1:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm taking it up with you since it's a concept YOU seem to have a problem with.
Me? Not at all. Your beliefs don't need to be proven because your beliefs and proof are mutually exclusive. I've been trying to bring yall around to that for ages. The people who consider your shared faith a "justified true belief"...however, might take issue.
You haven't been trying to bring me around since that's always been my position. I've stated from jump that my purpose is not to convince anyone of anything.
quotes from back in 2014
(March 29, 2014 at 11:16 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I haven't started one thread on these forums.
(August 2, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: A Christian is under no obligation to try and convince anyone or provide proof.
(December 10, 2014 at 2:58 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Your first mistake is assuming that my purpose is to convince anyone of anything, I haven't started one thread since joining this forum.
2015
(March 7, 2015 at 4:06 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Your entitled to your belief as much as I'm entitled to mine. I haven't started one thread trying to convince anyone of what I believe, in fact I haven't started any threads, I just comment on the ones YOU guys make. I could go on but I think you get it.
(February 11, 2017 at 1:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 1:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote: How about not being a coward for once and answer the question.
Is it your position that belief and faith are not mutually exclusive?
Belief and faith....weren't you talking about belief and proof? I guess we've reached the balking point. OFC it was too good to be true, lol. A typo obviously... Of course you needed that pointed out.
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 2:04 am
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(February 11, 2017 at 2:00 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You haven't been trying to bring me around since that's always been my position. I've stated from jump that my purpose is not to convince anyone of anything. Then stop arguing?
Quote:A typo obviously... Of course you needed that pointed out.
It's unfortunate that the most intelligent thing you've said in the entirety of my having known you turned out to be a typo. Better luck next time, I guess.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 2:24 am
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(February 11, 2017 at 2:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 2:00 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You haven't been trying to bring me around since that's always been my position. I've stated from jump that my purpose is not to convince anyone of anything. Then stop arguing? Point me to where I've presented any arguments, all I've done since day one is counter argue.
(February 11, 2017 at 2:04 am)Khemikal Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 2:00 am)Huggy74 Wrote: A typo obviously... Of course you needed that pointed out. It's unfortunate that the most intelligent thing you've said in the entirety of my having known you turned out to be a typo. Better luck next time, I guess.
Then allow me to jog your memory.
(September 26, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (September 26, 2014 at 6:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Bees, btw...all have 2 parents. They reproduce sexually......... Wrong, males come from a unfertilized egg, meaning they have no father.... This qualifies, no?
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 2:33 am
You're nothing if not reliable, I'll give you that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 5:37 am
(February 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 10, 2017 at 2:16 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Life is the functioning of a body, when the body stops functioning life ends.
Until you can prove otherwise that is what happens, can you show otherwise?
Thought not.
Not how it works. Beliefs don't need to be proven.
You claim that "Life is the functioning of a body, when the body stops functioning life ends." as if it's a fact, THAT statement needs proof.
Why don't beliefs need to be proven?
I need evidence for things I believe in why don't you?
I believe my wife loves me, we have been together for 27 years we still cuddle up on the sofa at night and she has borne me three children, this seems to be evidence that supports my belief.
In regard to humans, life stops when all body functions/processes cease.
That's what life is, a process, and it ends.
That's what all my experience has shown me. People live, people die.
Do you have an alternative hypothysis, if so I want to see the supporting science.
What does this life after death entail?
What material is the life stuff made from?
Where do they exist?
What do they look like?
In summary, our belief that there is an after life is probably wrong.
That will be my position until you can come up with counter evidence not arguments not words but actual proof.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 5:39 am
(February 11, 2017 at 12:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 10, 2017 at 11:41 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I agree. However....
If beliefs do not need to be proven then beliefs are dismissable without -any- consideration. Consider yours dismissed, and for no reason other than your leaving them so exposed.
Well done Huggy. You, personally, failed christ.
Beliefs don't need to be proven because the lack of proof is what makes it a belief, they are mutually exclusive.
That being said, accepting a belief is a personal choice and I've never stated otherwise, so dismiss all you want.
Accepting a belief as a child and having that same belief as an adult are two quite different things, believe what you like, you are free to do so, but if you are actually a part of the brainwashing machine... Then shame on you.
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 6:00 am
(February 11, 2017 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You saying they are not?
I believe there's an apple on my desk. I cut it open, eat a piece, examine another under a microscope. Yep, apple.
I still believe there's an apple on my desk.
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 9:48 am
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(February 11, 2017 at 5:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Not how it works. Beliefs don't need to be proven.
You claim that "Life is the functioning of a body, when the body stops functioning life ends." as if it's a fact, THAT statement needs proof.
Why don't beliefs need to be proven?
I need evidence for things I believe in why don't you?
I never said my beliefs weren't based on evidence, I said they aren't based on proof. Proof and evidence aren't the same.
(February 11, 2017 at 5:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I believe my wife loves me, we have been together for 27 years we still cuddle up on the sofa at night and she has borne me three children, this seems to be evidence that supports my belief.
In regard to humans, life stops when all body functions/processes cease.
That's what life is, a process, and it ends.
That's what all my experience has shown me. People live, people die.
Do you have an alternative hypothysis, if so I want to see the supporting science.
What does this life after death entail?
What material is the life stuff made from?
Where do they exist?
What do they look like?
In summary, our belief that there is an after life is probably wrong.
That will be my position until you can come up with counter evidence not arguments not words but actual proof. *Emphasis mine*
Here's the thing, death in the bible is defined as 'separation', not the "end of a process", which is why Jesus on occasion refereed to the dead, as "asleep", if Jesus referred to someone as "dead" it meant they were separated from God (in Hell).
That being said, I've made no claims on life after death personally, I choose to believe what the Bible says about it, and what the Bible states is that when we (the believer) leave our current body, there is another body waiting for us.
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. - 2 Corinthians 5:1
This is a promise to everyone who is willing to believe.
I've chosen to accept it as truth, and my only obligation is to inform others who are willing to accept it also, not to convince the doubters.
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. - 1 Corinthians 14:38
(February 11, 2017 at 5:39 am)HairyCyclist Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 12:40 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Beliefs don't need to be proven because the lack of proof is what makes it a belief, they are mutually exclusive.
That being said, accepting a belief is a personal choice and I've never stated otherwise, so dismiss all you want.
Accepting a belief as a child and having that same belief as an adult are two quite different things, believe what you like, you are free to do so, but if you are actually a part of the brainwashing machine... Then shame on you.
I don't have kids, that being said, there are worse things to teach a child than:
Quote:Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
(February 11, 2017 at 6:00 am)bennyboy Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You saying they are not?
I believe there's an apple on my desk. I cut it open, eat a piece, examine another under a microscope. Yep, apple.
I still believe there's an apple on my desk.
So what does your improper use of the word 'believe' prove?
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RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 10:15 am
(February 11, 2017 at 9:48 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 11, 2017 at 6:00 am)bennyboy Wrote: I believe there's an apple on my desk. I cut it open, eat a piece, examine another under a microscope. Yep, apple.
I still believe there's an apple on my desk.
So what does your improper use of the word 'believe' prove? That I believe in things which seem to represent reality, and do not reserve the term for fairy tales?
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