Testimony is Evidence

[Amarok]

Not to mention there is nothing metaphysics altering about a guy giving a speech .

[Cyberman]

Correction:

Millenium hand and fish shrimp.

Buggrit.

[Amarok]

1. Atheists have decided to be theists.
2. Such decision requires a major change to world view.
3. People don't make decisions that require major changes to world view without a clear metric to evaluate evidence.
3. There's no evidence for religious beliefs other than testimony.
4. Therefore, testimony is evidence which can be evaluated by a clear metric.

Wow you managed to get every point wrong . Fuck your stupid

[Minimalist]

Jesus ended up crucified. Paul rotted away in prison. Muhammed ended up powerful and possibly wealthy. That doesn't prove that any of them were correct, but it's a factor for consideration.

Again, these are beliefs without a shred of evidence to support them.  The lack of supporting evidence suggests quite strongly that they are total bullshit.

[Amarok]

I'll claim that Jesus and Paul suffered on the basis of the Bible. You said the Muslim will do the same thing. How?

Muslims will claim that there profit . Had visions that told him stuff no human every could have. rose to heaven after talking to profits etc etc etc. Everyone just as credible as the claim Paul and Jesus suffered. And no objective standard between .

And once again people can lie with nothing to gain . Or there reasons can be hidden . Or they can be honest but totally delusional . And no delusion does not mean insane or suffering from a specific mental illness .

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essentially Beta's pulling the they would not die for lie bullshit . This has been refuted six ways from sunday.

Why it's wrong

https://celsus.blog/2012/12/18/48/

And again

http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9978

[John V]

1. Atheists have decided to be theists.
2. Such decision requires a major change to world view.
3. People don't make decisions that require major changes to world view without a clear metric to evaluate evidence.
3. There's no evidence for religious beliefs other than testimony.
4. Therefore, testimony is evidence which can be evaluated by a clear metric.

Wow you managed to get every point wrong . Fuck your stupid

It's just amazing that you and Astonished think these are my points, when it's obvious I was taking points from Benny and using them against him.

[Amarok]

I never said those were your points Idiot . And i'm well aware that you were trying to use benny points against him. Which is why I said you got every point wrong .All of bennies points wrong. God your dense .

[Pat Mustard]

Woof bloody woof.

Millenium hand and fish.

SQUEAK

[downbeatplumb]

Correction:

Millenium hand and fish shrimp.

Buggrit.

It referred to any sea creature, woof.

[Astonished]

Wow you managed to get every point wrong . Fuck your stupid

It's just amazing that you and Astonished think these are my points, when it's obvious I was taking points from Benny and using them against him.

Oh, so then you also misunderstood Benny's points like the moron we all know you are. No surprises there. But we still refuted your straw man versions of those points too. And you were too stupid to understand that, too. Wow. Just wow.