Enlightened rants...

[Astreja]

You can pick up any book written by anyone, anywhere, and if you wish desperately enough to find a deity hiding in those lines of text, you will find one.  You will create one.  Then you will convince yourself that you didn't create it, a magical invisible friend actually talked to you.  When you take off the worshipful glasses used to read a religious text, you will see that what is written there is very obviously man-made and flawed.

This.  If we want to believe something badly enough, our brains will happily oblige and even rearrange our other beliefs to make them line up with what we want to be true.

Taking conscious control of this weird process is the way out of innumerable difficulties, including dismantling bad habits or obsessive thoughts.

[Mystic]

Humanity will always need a leader from God. When they realize they cannot choose that leader as taught in Quran "they have no choice in the matter", the leader will be come out in the open as he has been waiting for humanity to come to their senses.

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I hate Sunnism with a passion because it argued by the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (oppressive idol) to assert Ulil-Amr (possessors of the Authority) are that whether they meant Kings or Scholars or governors, and uses circular reference to falsehood and ignores Quranic context of the verses before and after and other Surahs to who Ulil-Amr are which negates it from all those but who God has chosen, and their arguments negates the only authority Quran legitimizes out of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut. I hate it more than any ideology in the world because they have the Quran but ignore it and twist it. "therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger" was to emphasize the purpose of God telling us to obey Ulil-Amr saying you can now make sure to refer all disputes properly back to Quran and Sunna through Ahlulbayt (as) who will give us intructions to society on how to judge and make sure what they teach is from Quran and Sunnah which Shiites don't follow either now but refer to Taqleed which is forbidden in Quran and Sunnah, not as an excuse to replace their authority with that of Jibt and Taghut, not an excuse to ignore the verses before and what they state regarding authority leading up to it and not to ignore the verses after, and to ignore what the whole Quran has emphasized on. Every revelation taught to obey God's chosen ones, manifested in groups of the chosen families, and delegated his mastery and authority to proofs and reminders who were twelve after the founding Captain, and it always the same SHIT from Satan and his forces and they infiltrate and argue by the same lame falsehood, you expect this time around to be different as Quran has used most of its text to refute these false arguments, but they still are used.

[Astreja]

I don't need a "leader from God," MK. I manage perfectly well without one. Deal with it.

I also find it rather disturbing that you swing wildly from talking about love to talking about how much you hate. Obviously your religious beliefs are not doing you any favours in terms of emotional control, and you might want to spend some time getting a handle on that problem.

[drfuzzy]

Humanity will always need a leader from God. When they realize they cannot choose that leader as taught in Quran "they have no choice in the matter", the leader will be come out in the open as he has been waiting for humanity to come to their senses.

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I hate Sunnism with a passion because it argued by the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (oppressive idol) to assert Ulil-Amr (possessors of the Authority) are that whether they meant Kings or Scholars or governors, and uses circular reference to falsehood and ignores Quranic context of the verses before and after and other Surahs to who Ulil-Amr are which negates it from all those but who God has chosen, and their arguments negates the only authority Quran legitimizes out of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut. I hate it more than any ideology in the world because they have the Quran but ignore it and twist it. "therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger" was to emphasize the purpose of God telling us to obey Ulil-Amr saying you can now make sure to refer all disputes properly back to Quran and Sunna through Ahlulbayt (as) who will give us intructions to society on how to judge and make sure what they teach is from Quran and Sunnah which Shiites don't follow either now but refer to Taqleed which is forbidden in Quran and Sunnah, not as an excuse to replace their authority with that of Jibt and Taghut, not an excuse to ignore the verses before and what they state regarding authority leading up to it and not to ignore the verses after, and to ignore what the whole Quran has emphasized on. Every revelation taught to obey God's chosen ones, manifested in groups of the chosen families, and delegated his mastery and authority to proofs and reminders who were twelve after the founding Captain, and it always the same SHIT from Satan and his forces and they infiltrate and argue by the same lame falsehood, you expect this time around to be different as Quran has used most of its text to refute these false arguments, but they still are used.

God doesn't exist.  And even if a deity does show up and prove it's existence, it will be up to humanity to decide whether that entity would have any value as a leader.  Until the existence of a deity is proven without the need of human books or preachers or imams, it's only logical to assume that all religious "teachings" have only one purpose: to gain control over other humans.

[Cyberman]

And when these leaders show up, how do we know they're from "God"? Because they say so? Because they do things that only a leader from "God" would do? There are quicker ways to become a wanted man, but there are few more certain.

[WinterHold]

And when these leaders show up, how do we know they're from "God"? Because they say so? Because they do things that only a leader from "God" would do? There are quicker ways to become a wanted man, but there are few more certain.

Miracles; according to Shiite folklore:
http://everydayisashoora.blogspot.de/201...di-as.html

It's not logical because those "Imams" or "leaders" were never mentioned in the Quran, and any attempt to say they were mentioned secretly in the book raises questions about the faith's position on God, and furthermore underlines the perception that God is weak in the Shiite faith -to the degree of not being able to protect his own Imams-.

Prophets are mentioned by the name; why are the Shiite Imams are never mentioned?
Thus; the people who buy into the Sunni version of the faith are drastically larger in numbers.

According to Shiite faith; you'll know him when you see him.

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Humanity will always need a leader from God. When they realize they cannot choose that leader as taught in Quran "they have no choice in the matter", the leader will be come out in the open as he has been waiting for humanity to come to their senses.

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I hate Sunnism with a passion because it argued by the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (oppressive idol) to assert Ulil-Amr (possessors of the Authority) are that whether they meant Kings or Scholars or governors, and uses circular reference to falsehood and ignores Quranic context of the verses before and after and other Surahs to who Ulil-Amr are which negates it from all those but who God has chosen, and their arguments negates the only authority Quran legitimizes out of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut. I hate it more than any ideology in the world because they have the Quran but ignore it and twist it. "therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger" was to emphasize the purpose of God telling us to obey Ulil-Amr saying you can now make sure to refer all disputes properly back to Quran and Sunna through Ahlulbayt (as) who will give us intructions to society on how to judge and make sure what they teach is from Quran and Sunnah which Shiites don't follow either now but refer to Taqleed which is forbidden in Quran and Sunnah, not as an excuse to replace their authority with that of Jibt and Taghut, not an excuse to ignore the verses before and what they state regarding authority leading up to it and not to ignore the verses after, and to ignore what the whole Quran has emphasized on. Every revelation taught to obey God's chosen ones, manifested in groups of the chosen families, and delegated his mastery and authority to proofs and reminders who were twelve after the founding Captain, and it always the same SHIT from Satan and his forces and they infiltrate and argue by the same lame falsehood, you expect this time around to be different as Quran has used most of its text to refute these false arguments, but they still are used.

Spread 'em sectarian hate. Spit what's inside your heart.

Both sects suck. Both sects are evil. Both sects smell bad. Both sects must take a shower.
Keep that sectarian crap in your room with the zombie Imams. Both Sunna and Shia have their crimes, and share of evil.

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

Humanity will always need a leader from God. When they realize they cannot choose that leader as taught in Quran "they have no choice in the matter", the leader will be come out in the open as he has been waiting for humanity to come to their senses.

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I hate Sunnism with a passion because it argued by the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (oppressive idol) to assert Ulil-Amr (possessors of the Authority) are that whether they meant Kings or Scholars or governors, and uses circular reference to falsehood and ignores Quranic context of the verses before and after and other Surahs to who Ulil-Amr are which negates it from all those but who God has chosen, and their arguments negates the only authority Quran legitimizes out of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut. I hate it more than any ideology in the world because they have the Quran but ignore it and twist it. "therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger" was to emphasize the purpose of God telling us to obey Ulil-Amr saying you can now make sure to refer all disputes properly back to Quran and Sunna through Ahlulbayt (as) who will give us intructions to society on how to judge and make sure what they teach is from Quran and Sunnah which Shiites don't follow either now but refer to Taqleed which is forbidden in Quran and Sunnah, not as an excuse to replace their authority with that of Jibt and Taghut, not an excuse to ignore the verses before and what they state regarding authority leading up to it and not to ignore the verses after, and to ignore what the whole Quran has emphasized on. Every revelation taught to obey God's chosen ones, manifested in groups of the chosen families, and delegated his mastery and authority to proofs and reminders who were twelve after the founding Captain, and it always the same SHIT from Satan and his forces and they infiltrate and argue by the same lame falsehood, you expect this time around to be different as Quran has used most of its text to refute these false arguments, but they still are used.

God doesn't exist.  And even if a deity does show up and prove it's existence, it will be up to humanity to decide whether that entity would have any value as a leader.  Until the existence of a deity is proven without the need of human books or preachers or imams, it's only logical to assume that all religious "teachings" have only one purpose: to gain control over other humans.

 
From a strictly observational standpoint, religion seems to enable people, especially religious leaders,  to take advantage of basic human psychology: based on my observations and reading, human minds are wired to connect and to attribute causal, human-like agency to the reality that it perceives. Thus, IMO, any charismatic, clever individual can find unscrupulous ways to make people (especially those individuals who are overwhelmed with a need to believe in something greater than themselves) buy into his or her personal truths while insisting that those truths come from some greater human-like source.  Hence, out of curiosity, how many practitioners of religion have genuinely considered the following: ( 1) does religious truth actually come from some greater sentient source of causal agency, or (2) is it simply the personalized preconceptions/biases/starting points of a particular individual or group of individuals; is it some kind of combination of (1) and (2)?

[Cyberman]

And when these leaders show up, how do we know they're from "God"? Because they say so? Because they do things that only a leader from "God" would do? There are quicker ways to become a wanted man, but there are few more certain.

Miracles; according to Shiite folklore:
http://everydayisashoora.blogspot.de/201...di-as.html

It's not logical because those "Imams" or "leaders" were never mentioned in the Quran, and any attempt to say they were mentioned secretly in the book raises questions about the faith's position on God, and furthermore underlines the perception that God is weak in the Shiite faith -to the degree of not being able to protect his own Imams-.

Prophets are mentioned by the name; why are the Shiite Imams are never mentioned?
Thus; the people who buy into the Sunni version of the faith are drastically larger in numbers.

According to Shiite faith; you'll know him when you see him.

So yet again, "I'll see it when I believe it". I'm so sick of living in a world where insanity is worshipped at the expense of rationality.

[Mystic]

Expecting guidance from other then the door God has opened and boarding a ship not steered by the name of God and following a path without clear proofs and relying on other then the balance brought down for stability and judging by other the light and resorting to settle disputes other then from clear indications of the truth from a book from God and a Messenger's clarification of it and believing in authority other then God's mastery and preferring desire over that of guidance from God and thinking God would not help and guide the way and determining justice without sight from God and insights through reflection and believing in leaders other then those God has appointed and chasing what will disappear and had no reality to begin with and running away from God's lion kings and paying attention to other then God's stars in the darkness and centering around other then the bright sun of God and journeying to other than the face of God and following other then what God has revealed and believing in the falsehood despite the truth being connected to us and having a resolve for other then the navigators to the just city and seeking the knowledge of the soul from other then the reminder and it's designated family and cutting of God's rope and holding on to other than his handhold is the definition of ignorance of Goodness and confusion and being immersed in clouds of darkness and mixing dirty water with the pure streams.

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And when these leaders show up, how do we know they're from "God"? Because they say so? Because they do things that only a leader from "God" would do? 

This is a good question. But if it were not my experience you are asking to seek fault as opposed to understand which would be followed by a series of questions to seek fault and would at the end coming down to denying God and asking proof for him, I would have elaborated and answered your question.

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Humanity will always need a leader from God. When they realize they cannot choose that leader as taught in Quran "they have no choice in the matter", the leader will be come out in the open as he has been waiting for humanity to come to their senses.

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I hate Sunnism with a passion because it argued by the Jibt (sorcery) and Taghut (oppressive idol) to assert Ulil-Amr (possessors of the Authority) are that whether they meant Kings or Scholars or governors, and uses circular reference to falsehood and ignores Quranic context of the verses before and after and other Surahs to who Ulil-Amr are which negates it from all those but who God has chosen, and their arguments negates the only authority Quran legitimizes out of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut. I hate it more than any ideology in the world because they have the Quran but ignore it and twist it. "therefore if you dispute in a thing refer it to God and the Messenger" was to emphasize the purpose of God telling us to obey Ulil-Amr saying you can now make sure to refer all disputes properly back to Quran and Sunna through Ahlulbayt (as) who will give us intructions to society on how to judge and make sure what they teach is from Quran and Sunnah which Shiites don't follow either now but refer to Taqleed which is forbidden in Quran and Sunnah, not as an excuse to replace their authority with that of Jibt and Taghut, not an excuse to ignore the verses before and what they state regarding authority leading up to it and not to ignore the verses after, and to ignore what the whole Quran has emphasized on. Every revelation taught to obey God's chosen ones, manifested in groups of the chosen families, and delegated his mastery and authority to proofs and reminders who were twelve after the founding Captain, and it always the same SHIT from Satan and his forces and they infiltrate and argue by the same lame falsehood, you expect this time around to be different as Quran has used most of its text to refute these false arguments, but they still are used.

God doesn't exist.  And even if a deity does show up and prove it's existence, it will be up to humanity to decide whether that entity would have any value as a leader.  Until the existence of a deity is proven without the need of human books or preachers or imams, it's only logical to assume that all religious "teachings" have only one purpose: to gain control over other humans.

I'd rather be under control of God than of dark hearts and haters of God, so yes I believe the true religion is also all about God gaining control over humans as well.  And to be under control of God and Mastery is the only purpose worthy of value. 

But the question is which God, what God, who is God, how to know that true God and his will and religion, and this is a good question, a question all humans have to focus on not to dismiss religion but rather dismiss all false religion with no proof and follow the true religion that has a clear proof.

[Astreja]

But the question is which God, what God, who is God, how to know that true God and his will and religion, and this is a good question, a question all humans have to focus on not to dismiss religion but rather dismiss all false religion with no proof and follow the true religion that has a clear proof.

That's why I'm an atheist. No religion has a "clear proof."  The most that one can hope for is evidence that the founder of the religion was a real person.  There is no credible evidence for the existence of any gods.  There is no credible evidence for any of the supernatural claims made by various religions.  None.