setting a watchman

[Drich]

Rand Paul talking does not a law make.

Rand Paul talking in that arena on that subject represents how a great number of people feel. if you guys could do an honest pole you would find yourself in the minority when it comes to ownership of children. Only people who seek to serve the state are willing to give up possession of thier children because they been taught to thing "progressively" and thus are willing to do so so easily as per your comment about simple mistreatment

actually that is not true. mistreatment is not the qualifier it habitual mistreatment with no means of correction, and at that point the state can only take tempoary custody of the children till the parents get their crap together.

Wrong. You can definitely 'mistreat' your child once and have him or her taken away forever.

maybe in the hitler state of callifornia or vermont or where ever burny is from, but in the real world where I have worked in homes where children were beyond mistreated, but because there was direction/hope for better treatment in the future the child remained. We have call I have called to have children removed, all it does it get you black listed from the community members. their life has to be in imminent danger and in said danger all the time before the state will move.

Understand this is my very point. I am showing you where we as people can OWN another person and it not be a chattle slave/roots type of relationship. If we can own our children and love them is it not possible in your mind to do this with another human being? especially if a man works along side of you as a brother? Again that is how 'uncle tom's" got their name. They were black slaves who were seen as family to white owners.

You don't fucking own your kids.

Actually my wife and i own our kids. why? because that state holds us responsible for their actions. If one of my monkeys takes my gun out of a lock safe and shoots someone he doesn't goto jail. I do till it gets sorted out. gaurdians are not responsible if the ward commits a crime.
https://www.americanbar.org/newsletter/p...ility.html

only if you close your mind and try and look at slavry in the typical black and white "slavery is bad m'kay, slavery is bad" world view. Because Again it is through our ownership of our children that we can show ownership of another human being is not an inherently evil. nor am I saying it is always good. Ownership of another is a morally netural experience. it is the circumstance in how one is obtained and treated that makes it a good or bad thing.

what of those 45 million who would currently die without slavery? that is like haveing another world war's wrth of people died in a few month you freaking moron. If we abolished all slavery because "slavery is bad M'kay Slavery is bad"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

Again mrs. mackie what happens to all of those who depend on slavery to live? 45million slaves then billions of outhers who depend on the food and raw material the slaves produce.. not 300 years ago, but today.

If slavery is all bad, and you remove it, what happens to those people what happens to us?

and if I don't? it doesn't mean I don't own them.

It definitely does. Try selling them and see what happens, dumbass.

never been through the adoption process have you?
all they do is just change the wording of exchanging of money, but the actions are the exact same.

Basically teen are the cheapest to buy, (can in most states get paid to take them) then 'ethnic children' then 'white children' then white babies. do you know how much it COST to BUY a White baby though legit adoption channels? about 25K My sister can't have kids so she bought a white 3year old who's mother had the little girl in immanent danger all the time. Brken legs arm ribs ect. after like the 10th time the state pulled the little girl my sister came in and started the adoption proceedures cost her about 15K. two years later the woman as a little boy, this time a boy/baby. they put up 20K in "medical and rehoming fees" but another family offer about 5K more so it went to court and the other family got the boy. So the court split a family for 5K dollars.

My sister and her husband are no slouches they own a marble/granite counter top shop. they live in a very very nice home/compound great people. the other side lived well but not so good. They were told later the money offer was the deciding factor, after being told their "donations were not being looked at."

So tell me some more that children (blonde hair blue eyed children) aren't bought and sold in this country and I can call you naive.

1600 pennsylvania washington dc 20003
send the cops there.

field trip

Slaves don't get contracts. What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

huh, yes they do... not all slaves are chattle (property) slaves are defined as There is a difference between chattle slavery and slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

Even if you want to play word games and will not take ownership of your children, I promise the vast majority of parents in this country will absolutely claim ownership of their kids.

Yeah, because there are weird fucking sickos in this country.

-or they simply reject the social conditioning of far left.

I can't believe that you actually believe all this stuff. It's not fathomable to me that a person be this much of a dimwit and still be able to type words in a semi-coherent fashion.

I can't believe you are willing to over look the 45 million slaves we have in the world now so you can take a political stance.

I can't pretend like you guys do that my life is not directly impacted by modern slavery. therefore i must acknoweledge it and reexamine it. I ask my self what the would would truly be like if it just disappeared one day and what the world is like now... We are far better off now, otherwise 45 million people just die because there is no infrastructure in place not just now but in the history of all of society that can support 45 million people without producing or making some sort of money/profit from little to no pay work. In essence these people are trading years of life for just that... that ability to survive/live. take away that support nothing we can do will replace it.

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Even if you want to play word games and will not take ownership of your children, I promise the vast majority of parents in this country will absolutely claim ownership of their kids.

Logical fallacy:  Argument from popularity.

DUH!!!
because the premise being argued is determined by what the majority does.

I believe that any individual who claims ownership of any other individual is in the wrong.  No exceptions, ever.

who cares what one nut job believes??? who are you? Now surround yourself with 300 million other voices and then ad populium what you say matters, why? because the voice of the country supports what you have to say.

[Drich]

I think it;s amusing that you..for example, consider yourself a "we", and that "we" were responsible for Japans innovation in manufacturing in the 80's.

I've always considered myself to be an american, and America rebuilt Japan after the war.

 

One wonders why we all have to learn TPS and 5S now, if "we" taught that to "them".  

maybe cause what we learnt'em only took us to the 1980s. maybe now they are the superior society. eva think of that?

Meanwhile, your imagining that the empire of japan circa 1930-40 was anything -other- than a fully modernized (and world leading innovator) is blatantly ridiculous

read it again sport I acknoweledged pre WWII japan pre war position. What I did not do was attribute any mid or post war delvopements to them. they start the war on top, we bombed them back a few dozen years. That is why our planes ship and proxcimity denotated munitions" blew away their best 1930's stuff (in a mid 40's war)

  We spent money repairing japans infrastructure because we'd recently devastated it, numbskull. 

OMg.. yes sure lock we did why? because we did not wanting them to rebuild another post industrial age bushido war machine again. we occupied that country and drilled in american values to the point they were in alot of ways a carbon copy of us. again that rebuilding is not in dispute sport, that rebuilding is called "Setting a watchman" it taken a broken people and building them up in your own image. That is the reason for me using japan as an example. We set a watch man with japan and built them up in our image in 7 years because they were already advanced.

Blacks were not when they were released. and we did not set a watch man for that race like we did japan.

I think it;s hilarious that you feel that japan was only "westernized" postwar.

because all western armies are build on the Bushido code. that said I never denyed western influence. I simply pointed out at wars end that country was no longer the world leader in anything. we set watchmen and rebuilt that country, the help was welcomed and the country recovered fast. in part because they were already modernized in other part because they accepted the western influence. None of which is true when contrasting freed slaves.

..when they had been seeking and engineering such recognition since before their big coming out party of the Russo Japanese war in '05.  By the time WW2 begins they were already well established as a westernized nation. 

modern is the word you are looking for. westernied in that era refers to white Protestants.

They actively sought to be so, and to be a white(er) nation while they were at it.  Not like the rest of them..koreans and such. 

krea had no say in it's national direction as it was occupied by Japan.
Japan decided what the face of the korean nation/people looked like.

Emulating colonial authority structures was the entire point.........

agreed

Fuck it, fuck it, why am I explaining this to you?  You'll insist on some alternative history that supports your racism, where the white man civilized the yellow savages.  Good boy.  

you are explain this to me because you are trying to not loose any more face. you think I am going in a different direction and by laying claim to what I have already said your trying to reclaim lost dignity.

actually you can only teach to the willing. to everyone else you simply demonstrate your culture. can you accept someone who kill and eat your dog if he got out on to another man's property as an equal?

Gibberish or a seizure?  

actually you can only teach to the willing. (the comment was made that you teach.) my response was:
actually you can only teach to the willing. to everyone else you simply demonstrate your culture. meaning if one is not willing to understand or be taught your culture your efforts in teaching will only be seen as a demonstration of your culture.

Then I give an example:
can you accept someone who kill and eat your dog if he got out on to another man's property as an equal?

Meaning if I teach an american that it is ok to kill and eat a neighbors dog who wanders onto my property, will this be seen as a lesson or a demonstration of a terrible culture? If I insist that my culture should be accepted in america first meaning my right to eat your dog should be made as american as apple pie, could you see me an an equal?

Did I dumb it down enough for ya sport? or do I need to go full on 1st grade?

guess you never spent 15 years working in the innercity.. the term you are looking for is African or black american sport. why? "because we obey our rules first."

-and?  I'm a white american, and an irish american.  Nobody's telling me to tone down my whiteness or all the green.  

they did in the 70s and 80s when that whole irish terrorist (IRA) thing was a thing. when wite irish were send money and guns home to support the IRA your asses were being deported. or is your history only enough of that of pre war japan and korea to call them disparaging names

 Omg.. ever hear of Ellis island moron? what happened on ellis island?
http://origins.osu.edu/review/coming-america-contribute
The above light broaches the subject by saying old world hostilities and grevieances were abolished in the 'melting pot' where indivisual's religions, nationalaities and nationalities were erased and forced to conform to the American way of life.

You mean semi-literate american civil servants who couldn;t properly spell a name?  Yeah, still happens.  

didn't you say that never happens that white people where never made to seperate from their roots?

Which is it sport? did white people have to give up their pasts to becomes apart of the "melting pot" or not?

Other books on the subject matter go into great detail from reassigning family names, to splitting up large families assigning one to live in NYC and another group from the same Family to boston or chicago. the would take family bibles, pictures, histories crests, real anything that tied the imigrants to the old country. why? because they were to all be melted down and smelted into americans. NOT German Americans or Korean Americans ect. That is the LAST thing the government wanted because when we went to war with europe and this german american was allowed to keep his deuche-i-ness then he would be more likely to turn coat, or maybe his son would be more likly to turn coat, and maybe take a "knee" rather than charge the german lines like the rest of his unit.

If you still don't think white america did not get ethnically cleansed then clearly you do not know what you are talking about. sure there were hold overs as in a little italy or china town but this I am an itialian first BS does not fly here nationally. Only strict islamists and "African" americans do that on a national level. to which is why I say, as a group they will never be seen as an equal. Indivisual sure all day every day.

Everybody fucking run for it...we're being white genocided!  Drich, -you- see them as somehow not-or-less american.  You insist that this is their fault.  It isn't..it's just you.  If people like you would stop thinking thoughts like yours...then they wouldn't be seen as different.  

No you fucking idiot I am saying white people were as a pnt of history made to homognize to blend to drop their pasts and become americans first. most american born knew little to nothing of where they came from by design. otherwise we would have had eurpoean wars divided up and fought on our streets here!!!

Now I'm also say ALL Americans who have elected to drop their ancestory in favor of being Americans first take issue with black people who want to identify with africa first. So much was lost so much was given by the incoming immigrants t become Americans even now even today. My cousin on my moms side is supposed to be a prince or some sort of korean royality, he's an american now and manages a toppless bar. I have no idea about any of that stuff other than old Koreans bow to him and before to his father. like wise all sorts of land claims all sorts of titles were lost and gone forever once we became Americans... that is why when a man or a race of men demand we allow them to be what they were before (bronze age warriors) no.. not cool. Now take that attitude and force acceptance or have it thumb it's nose at american heart felt traditions like standing for the flag... Then demand the benfits of being an american.. again not cool I can not will not see a man who has held on to everything to take advantage of the rest of us as an equal.

Do you understand now?

I am using japan's modern social progress as a western nation post war to describe the benfits of having watchmen help guide a broken nation back onto it's feet. so that it works and plays well, that everyone is on the same page because they too inorder to parat of the US had to give up who they were.

Your inability to recognize a difference between cultural syncretism and ethnic cleansing is just another example of the same thing that leads you to believe that slavery and employment are the same things.  

Omg.. your misdiagnosis of the topic would be hilrious if it were not so sad. You are just shooting at key words and phrases, while I am trying to get you to think by using those key words and phrases to build a different arguement. a different way of looking at things... but you like a dog only hear bone then you run around the yard digging for bones rather than trying to see how I am using that word to illustrate a different point.

For an example I have to jamacian guys working for me. one is hardcore rasta the other great laid back American man. the Rasta is rasta first, then black then last but not least american. he was not american unless the government owed him something. He was an employee for 7+ years and "we" (wife and I) went through it all. with him. his religious group turned on him (because he was on probation and could not light up, and then we asked him not to smoke/weed at work) his family turned on him and we helped him out set him up with an apartment, talked with him hours on end and on and on his needs went. for like 5 years he was falling apart at the seem because he couldn't be mr rasta man. probation ran out then he went full tilt back into his community, and as a statement to us he took two weeks of or as the white man say "no call no show for two weeks without saying anything" just to "let da boss know he not da boss of me." let him go and just so happened another man from jamaica filled his spot (most qualified) This recent hurrican I gave him an extra day off to get his house in order and he was worried about his job. Told no worries just dig out from the storm nothing going on here, he came in anyways just to make sure nothing needed to be done at the shop first.

This guy has been here less than 6months and I see him and an indivisual equal if not surpassing some of the other 'white douche bags' I have working for me.

The point? one man left his past to live here as an american while another want to force rasta culture into his job/into my industry. Sorry, but it does not work that way. I can not perform nor my company can not perform through the rules of Rastafarianism and make a profit. So I can not see the first guy or give the first guy the same respect I give to the second guy.

How much time do you spend assessing your ethnic equals and inferiors?   

in this case about 7 years with the first guy and about 6 months with the new guy. because I take every single situation and plot progress, to see if a relationship is strengthening or failing.

again upunit europe unified we absolutly did have to segergate and erase indivisual 'white culture' and homognize everyone into "americans" This taking a knee BS personifies why we must be one people and not several in one nation.. Again read the artical is explains why they did erase or the government did it's best to erase the past of the white immigrants.

Oh for fucks sake, you wanna talk football?  Pass. 

to be seen as an equal. to lay the same sacrifice upon the alter of a united/one people nation. to give up the right to personal idenity and become part of one nation. to simply be an american and nothing else first.

I'm not sure that being seen as an equal by you is really all that enticing.  

Read your history moron the vast majority of that was taken away, everyone comming through ellis island unless very rich when through an american homogenization process.

"Ethnic cleansing" indeed........

thousands died on that island hundreds of thousands were turned back millions had their social identity erased, families split, historical records destroyed. no different than any mass imgration

yeah that's raceism because someone representing less than 6% of the population has majority control to oppressor mandate anything... but as an american speaking to another american or an american first speaking to something else first I can explain why it is me being literally 1 generation out side of slavery and the first of my generation born in this country is not only accepted in the culture but seen as an equal even though I have been told I look like a fat mexican or a fat indian.

You aren't talking about america or americans.

I am not talking about your america the part of america that has lost both the house and senate, and the oval office. I am talking about literally everyone else.

  You're talking about black people.

  black indivisuals no. as I poined out in the op indivisuals can and do assimilate on their own. Groups however tend to use others in the group as a crutch as stay or seek out ethnic purity with in their own group.

Some black americans..apparently, you see as less american, and inferior for what you perceive to be their cultural blackness.  

No again. I simply point out that some black american see themselves as black first then american. Here morgan freedman says the same thing. maybe you can put your bigotry down long enough for "god" to explain things to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLj2CVC1VU

Yeah.........that's racism.  You don't have a problem owning slavery, I don't see why you'd try to negotiate here.  

Why should I change my view when what I have come to understand explains everything so perfectly.

I can cite or provide at least three different links to every position in history I ave represented here. I read alot of stuff. I observe people. and I have live the racial divide you morons are just now discovering my whole life. I know these water and i know the two possible outcomes. And I know we are headed for the wrong one because people like you do not know real documented history. if you do, then like I did please provide links to your version of things... If you can't then maybe take a look at who the revisionist really is... The guy who can provide historical fact.. or the guy spouting popular belief but can only find blogs and commentary on your subject matter.

You should read other stuff.
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read what? the crap minnie reads? where the constitution should be abolished that it is outdated?? is that crap you read?

No thanks I like real history.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why should I change my view when what I have come to understand explains everything so perfectly.

That your racist view explains your racist misconceptions is hardly surprising..and I can't think of any reason why you would want to change it, personally.  Isn't that the whole point of self reinforcing racism...so that you don't have to stop being a racist?  

No thanks I like real history.

The kind of history where the white man accepts his burden and sets "watchmen" on savages like yourself. The kind of history where a surplus of blackness is a deficit of americana. That's racist, revisionist history. I still don;t see why you're objecting. It is what it is, you are who you are. Learn to love the bomb.

[Astreja]

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Logical fallacy:  Argument from popularity.

DUH!!!
because the premise being argued is determined by what the majority does.

I believe that any individual who claims ownership of any other individual is in the wrong.  No exceptions, ever.

who cares what one nut job believes??? who are you? Now surround yourself with 300 million other voices and then ad populium what you say matters, why? because the voice of the country supports what you have to say.

You are a truly despicable person, Drich, totally devoid of empathy and common sense. Thank you for reinforcing my resolve to never become a Christian.

[Shell B]

I've weighed the value of my time vs. the amount of entertainment I'd get from responding to that half-literate drivel and have decided against bothering. I'm lazy like that.

I suspect, deep down, you know you are wrong. You're probably trolling us. Therefore, I can only respond to your massive fucking posts when it is an amusing way to pass the time. Today, you're not entertaining enough.

[Drich]

Why should I change my view when what I have come to understand explains everything so perfectly.

That your racist view explains your racist misconceptions is hardly surprising..and I can't think of any reason why you would want to change it, personally.  Isn't that the whole point of self reinforcing racism...so that you don't have to stop being a racist?  

No thanks I like real history.

Ahhhh, how cute..

Someone doesn't understand the difference between racism and critical cultural observation.

Here's how you tell the difference sport... For example in the OP when I said individual black people can adapt to western civilization or do not self identify as some other culture other than american first, that speaks to social or cultural observation, it has nothing to do with race. why? because raceism states that an indivisual's behavior is determined by race. when I said that an indivisual can act contary to his race, the subject then is not about race but one of culture or in this case sub-culture (culture with in a culture) Eg AFRICAN-American there are many who black people who identify as African first segergating themselves from the general population who has given up their "roots" to be identified as American only.

The kind of history where the white man accepts his burden and sets "watchmen" on savages like yourself.

Indeed, and am greatful to america for spending billions to bring my forefathers out of slavery and taught us how to be a first world nation.

 The kind of history where a surplus of blackness is a deficit of americana.

Not blackness, tribal/stoneage cultural values mixed in with the some of the worst cultural behaivor America showed them. again looking back black people were take out of stone age hunter gather life and forced into slavery, then turned loose with no other social or cultural infrastructural help. Koreans were help after being a slave nation to japan and see what they became. Black's weren't Why? because they were supposed to be sent home to Africa/Liberia or to central south America to colonize those regions. money ran short and many did not want to go.

That's racist, revisionist history.  I still don;t see why you're objecting

.I gave you links to prove what I said was fact. you are giveing me nothing but another attempt to assignate my character because I am walking a line to you that one should not walk. You are still not listening to anything I have to say. you are looking for key words so you feel justified in calling me names. That small minded kids stuff there sport. is that all you can do? call me name? make blind unsupported accusations about revisionist history? if it is not real histroy provide PROOOFFF It's like you guys only want absolute proof of God, and could care less about proof of anything else.

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DUH!!!
because the premise being argued is determined by what the majority does.


who cares what one nut job believes??? who are you? Now surround yourself with 300 million other voices and then ad populium what you say matters, why? because the voice of the country supports what you have to say.

You are a truly despicable person, Drich, totally devoid of empathy and common sense. Thank you for reinforcing my resolve to never become a Christian.

Ok ok... so let me get this straight..

Me taking ownership of my children= devoid of empathy and a reinforcement as to why you never became a christian...

yeah sounds to me I'm a real monster.
Glad i do not live in a douche state where it is wrong to take ownership of your children.

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I've weighed the value of my time vs. the amount of entertainment I'd get from responding to that half-literate drivel and have decided against bothering. I'm lazy like that.

I suspect, deep down, you know you are wrong. You're probably trolling us. Therefore, I can only respond to your massive fucking posts when it is an amusing way to pass the time. Today, you're not entertaining enough.

Sorry? i think or not sorry? IDK what your looking for. (probably just don't want to admit you were wrong about babies/children being bought and sold legally here in America.

that said, I'm not trolling anyone.

I simply think that if a person from a sub culture like mine or African Americans want to be seen as equals they/we must let go of the things that seperate us. like morgan freedman said: their should not be black history month or the indintifiers "black man or white man" or African american. we should all be Americans. black history should be considered american history and not segergated.

Because the idea is if you see yourself as a Representative of any-other culture than America first, you are segregating yourself from the majority of the population and therefore by your own actions you put yourself below the majority culture. Meaning you by your own form of self segergation are foring other to see you as unequal to them.

[Astreja]

You are a truly despicable person, Drich, totally devoid of empathy and common sense. Thank you for reinforcing my resolve to never become a Christian.

Ok ok... so let me get this straight..

Me taking ownership of my children= devoid of empathy and a reinforcement as to why you never became a christian...

As usual you're not getting anything straight.  You play around with equivocation to deliberately misrepresent others' words.

No one "owns" another person.  You do not actually own your children.  You accept responsibility for them and care for them.  This is good.  You do not have a right under the law to do anything with them, or anything to them.  This is also good.

You seem to be incapable, however, of extending those same rights to the people victimized by slave-owners in times past.  This is bad.  When you make excuses for slavery, this is utterly unacceptable.  You put the lie to the concept of the Christian-as-morally-superior.

My main reason for not being a Christian is not you; it's the fact that Christianity itself is not believable, and IMO immoral at its core.  You're just another believer making excuses for a stupid and evil god, and a stupid and an evil book of scripture.

[The Grand Nudger]

Ahhhh, how cute..

Someone doesn't understand the difference between racism and critical cultural observation.

No, someone doesn't....clearly.  

Indeed, and am greatful to america for spending billions to bring my forefathers out of slavery and taught us how to be a first world nation.

You have a quaint view of US involvement in Asia.  This, however, does not excuse either your idiocy..or your racism.  You should not -need- to know that you're wrong about US history...to know that the notion of the white mans burden is the brunt of a running cultural joke.  It was a self serving rationalization for slavery and colonialism which this white watchmans culture recognized to be fatuous ages ago.  So, I guess, since you're a good little lickspittle, maybe you should let me civilize you on that count?  There is no white mans burden.  There are no watchmen.  There never was.  That's some bullshit my ancestors told yours to get you off our nuts with your incessant complaints about human rights and the proprietorship of natural resources.  

I think the ice wore thin on that count with most of our subjugates long ago, but it's good to see that the old lies still work on someone.  

Not blackness, tribal/stoneage cultural values mixed in with the some of the worst cultural behaivor America showed them. again looking back black people were take out of stone age hunter gather life and forced into slavery, then turned loose with no other social or cultural infrastructural help. Koreans were help after being a slave nation to japan and see what they became. Black's weren't Why? because they were supposed to be sent home to Africa/Liberia or to central south America to colonize those regions. money ran short and many did not want to go.

Is that what you think happened, lol?

.I gave you links to prove what I said was fact. you are giveing me nothing but another attempt to assignate my character because I am walking a line to you that one should not walk. You are still not listening to anything I have to say. you are looking for key words so you feel justified in calling me names. That small minded kids stuff there sport. is that all you can do? call me name? make blind unsupported accusations about revisionist history? if it is not real histroy provide PROOOFFF It's like you guys only want absolute proof of God, and could care less about proof of anything else.

You assassinate your own character. I'm just pointing and laughing when you do it.  I'm not interested in discussing the "proof" of revisionist history.  I already told you to go read a book.

[LastPoet]

Drich already reads this one fantasy book.

Am I the only one hoping drich never fathers any kids? Any kid would be better off on his own.

[rexbeccarox]

Drich already reads this one fantasy book.

Am I the only one hoping drich never fathers any kids? Any kid would be better off on his own.

Oh gawds... he's have to segergate them from the douche bags who assignate his character, sport.