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Why, God? Why?!
#81
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 8, 2018 at 7:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I can't remember the last time I drowned any of my kids..or ordered one to kill the other.

What if your kid was Stalin and you knew that he would be responsible for 68 million deaths... would you drown him?

I could never kill my own child, even if I knew that I should.  In that instant, a parent values their child’s life over all others; even the inumerable masses.

(February 8, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 8:03 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Why would I kill my kid, Huggs....are you really going to castigate me for being unwilling to do so, regardless of who my kid was?  You can't be so clueless as to imagine that you'll ever win the "parent's love" argument by insisting that under some circumstance I should kill my kid..either directly or indirectly?

You;re the one that just finished telling us that we were created in gods image, and further that gods's reasons were like any parent's reasons.   Well..I wont kill my kids, because I love them.  Now, have fun telling me all of the ways that god is different and that you were wrong.

Do all of my work for me...again.

Ok, so It's a no then... got it.

So by knowing that your kid would be responsible for 68 million deaths, by doing nothing their blood is on your hands.

Now in comparison to God, did he not love the world so much that he sacrificed his only begotten Son? You made it, clear that if you were God you'd save your kid and sacrifice untold trillions.

lol, I definitely would.  Do you have kids, Hugz?  Cuz, I sense that you don’t.  When you have kids, literally no one else in the world even matters compared to them.  I’d rather see the earth implode, than murder my own child.  I might as well kill my self at that point.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#82
RE: Why, God? Why?!
Any all powerful being who needs to kill children to prevent the rise of Stalin style monsters. Is little better then a Stalin style monster .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#83
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 8, 2018 at 10:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 7:02 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What if your kid was Stalin and you knew that he would be responsible for 68 million deaths... would you drown him?

I could never kill my own child, even if I knew that I should.  In that instant, a parent values their child’s life over all others; even the inumerable masses.

(February 8, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Ok, so It's a no then... got it.

So by knowing that your kid would be responsible for 68 million deaths, by doing nothing their blood is on your hands.

Now in comparison to God, did he not love the world so much that he sacrificed his only begotten Son? You made it, clear that if you were God you'd save your kid and sacrifice untold trillions.

lol, I definitely would.  Do you have kids, Hugz?  Cuz, I sense that you don’t.  When you have kids, literally no one else in the world even matters compared to them.  I’d rather see the earth implode, than murder my own child.  I might as well kill my self at that point.

Fair enough, this means you are a good mother, the love for your child extends beyond logic and reason, because logic would dictate you sacrifice your kid if it meant the salvation of humanity.

To quote Spock; "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

God loves EVERYONE just as much as he loves his own son, and not willing that any of them should perish, allowed his son to be sacrificed, and through that sacrifice they too can become sons and daughters of God, does this mean God loves his children less than you do?
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#84
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 8, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 10:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I could never kill my own child, even if I knew that I should.  In that instant, a parent values their child’s life over all others; even the inumerable masses.


lol, I definitely would.  Do you have kids, Hugz?  Cuz, I sense that you don’t.  When you have kids, literally no one else in the world even matters compared to them.  I’d rather see the earth implode, than murder my own child.  I might as well kill my self at that point.

Fair enough, this means you are a good mother, the love for your child extends beyond logic and reason, because logic would dictate you sacrifice your kid if it meant the salvation of humanity.

To quote Spock; "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

God loves EVERYONE just as much as he loves his own son, and not willing that any of them should perish, allowed his son to be sacrificed, and through that sacrifice they too can become sons and daughters of God, does this mean God loves his children less than you do?

Here's the thing, though, Huggy. He didn't have to do any sacrifices.
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#85
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 9, 2018 at 12:03 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Fair enough, this means you are a good mother, the love for your child extends beyond logic and reason, because logic would dictate you sacrifice your kid if it meant the salvation of humanity.

To quote Spock; "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

God loves EVERYONE just as much as he loves his own son, and not willing that any of them should perish, allowed his son to be sacrificed, and through that sacrifice they too can become sons and daughters of God, does this mean God loves his children less than you do?

Here's the thing, though, Huggy. He didn't have to do any sacrifices.

God has to honor his word otherwise he is a liar.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? -
Numbers 23:19

If God cannot keep his word, then he's not God.

The Bible states that the wages of sin is death, therefore only death can atone for sin. This required one without sin to give his life in order for others to live.

A concept you utilize on a daily basis.
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#86
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 9, 2018 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 9, 2018 at 12:03 am)Grandizer Wrote: Here's the thing, though, Huggy. He didn't have to do any sacrifices.

God has to honor his word otherwise he is a liar.

Again, he didn't have to. He put this upon himself, and as a result, we have to pay for his idiocies (according to your religion, roughly speaking)
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#87
RE: Why, God? Why?!
Quote:God has to honor his word otherwise he is a liar.
Your brainless halfwit of a deity set the conditions of said word .Thus he and only he bears the blame for it .

Also apparently god can be a murderer in the name of the greater cosmic good . But a liar is  apparently is too much.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#88
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 9, 2018 at 12:52 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(February 9, 2018 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: God has to honor his word otherwise he is a liar.

Again, he didn't have to. He put this upon himself, and as a result, we have to pay for his idiocies (according to your religion, roughly speaking)


God is supreme justice, and in order for justice to exist law must exist. If there is no penalty under the law then justice does not exist.

If God allowed you to do whatever you wanted to do without penalty, where is the justice?

Do you suggest that life devoid of justice is a good thing?

(February 9, 2018 at 12:55 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:God has to honor his word otherwise he is a liar.
Your brainless halfwit of a deity set the conditions of said word .Thus he and only he bears the blame for it .

Also apparently god can be a murderer in the name of the greater cosmic good . But a liar is  apparently is too much.

Death as a penalty under the law is not murder...
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#89
RE: Why, God? Why?!
Bullshit 

If god created everything . He is responsible for everything . If  chooses to put mass murder before lying or the sacrifice of a child to because he not will to be a liar .Then he is a monster . If people are responsible for there choices or inactions then your god is the author of all evil .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#90
RE: Why, God? Why?!
Quote:Do you suggest that life devoid of justice is a good thing?

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The House Intelligence Committee seems to think so.
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