Ybe an atheist

[Mystic]

You understand that theism is a form of deism...right?

Deism is a form of Theism, not the other way.

[The Grand Nudger]

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[The Valkyrie]

Not really, I have provided evidence for my particular beliefs. I have shown evidence why Deism is irrational for one.

I can't prove a particular particular to the extent of it's minute details God, but I have shown evidence for a Helping Master God that is the True King and the Guiding Lord of humanity.

Right now, I truthfully doubt some laws in Islam, like being allowed to marry a second wife without permission of the first wife.  I find this problematic and I find Quran only allows it in context of when the task of helping orphans becomes too much and there is a need of marrying another wife to help take care of them.

So I don't know how to say this, but I can't point to the Islamic God, because Islam is undefined right now. What I think of it or what you think of it, may have little to do with actually what Mohammad and the enlightened followers of his, really knew and believed of it.

The family of Mohammad did their best, but at the end, when they were no longer here, things became volatile as in the past.

I can't point to the details... Stories like the animals on the arc or what not, can all be misunderstood parables of a higher truth or may not be.  I can't make you see what I see.

However, I have provided evidence for a general framework over the years. I have provide over 14 proofs for one God, and have brought at least three different proofs on the need of guidance from God in form of a religion.

I have provided particular proof for the family of the reminder in Quran as well if Islam is true, and by that method, argued one reason I believe it's true, and that is because there is something sinister on the hearts and minds of people keeping them from seeing them, despite the norms of language indicating they are clearly in there. That to me is a sufficient one stone hit all birds (proves magic, God, Islam, the family of the reminder, and the path forward).

I can iterate through those if you like.

Here's the problem.

You ask us to provide reasons we reject all religious claims presented to us, but when I ask you to do the same, outside your particular sphere of interest, you pretty much ignore it and state that you have presented evidence for your own.

What theists tend to present as evidence is what they themselves would accept from their own beliefs but reject from others.

If your holy book says your prophet flew to the moon on a winged horse, you accept it. If someone elses book states that their prophet did the same thing you would reject it and likely laugh at how ridiculous the claim is.

It's a personal bias. And I believe Shermer has explained it very well in a couple of speeches.

So, what you present and accept as evidence, we reject as claims. You reject much of Christiany and Judaism, and they reject much of your beliefs even though you basically worship the same deity.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue with these long, circular discussions.

You believe what you believe and that's fine.

What you believe convinces you of it's authenticity and that's fine. And you don't have to justify it to me.

But we don't believe what you believe and I don't have to justify it to you. Especially with long explanations that you're going to reject anyway.

[Mystic]

I am willing to reiterate the proofs I have presented. Reiterate. You guys can go through the proofs I have presented my search feature but I am willing to reiterate them. Most of the Atheists here have not iterated even once all the proofs I have presented let alone the proofs out there in the earth available for us to read, comprehend, and understand.

If you are not willing to do it, that's fine. As long as you understand none of you are presenting proofs or showing why you agree with the Atheists that supposedly refuted my arguments, then most of you have not justified your stance to others.

[Whateverist]

Ybe's Religious Views: God Is

Me: God is what?

I'm fine with your god belief.  But what do you think this God you believe in consists of and what makes you think that?

What makes you think you would be able to understand my understanding of G?

I doubt very seriously that your 'understanding' is even coherent, let alone understandable.  While we may understand what you say, I doubt if any atheist here will think what you say makes any sense.  Assuming you categorize your 'God' as something supernatural it is doomed.

[Angrboda]

I am willing to reiterate the proofs I have presented. Reiterate. You guys can go through the proofs I have presented my search feature but I am willing to reiterate them. Most of the Atheists here have not iterated even once all the proofs I have presented let alone the proofs out there in the earth available for us to read, comprehend, and understand.

If you are not willing to do it, that's fine. As long as you understand none of you are presenting proofs or showing why you agree with the Atheists that supposedly refuted my arguments, then most of you have not justified your stance to others.

MK, I addressed your last argument and the only response from you was an objection which I pointed out was mistaken followed by silence. What the fuck, dude?

[brewer]

I am willing to reiterate the proofs I have presented. Reiterate. You guys can go through the proofs I have presented my search feature but I am willing to reiterate them. Most of the Atheists here have not iterated even once all the proofs I have presented let alone the proofs out there in the earth available for us to read, comprehend, and understand.

If you are not willing to do it, that's fine. As long as you understand none of you are presenting proofs or showing why you agree with the Atheists that supposedly refuted my arguments, then most of you have not justified your stance to others.

Here's the thing, we don't consider your proofs as, well, proofs. Plain and simple. Demonstrate concrete evidence and I'll look at it.

[The Valkyrie]

I am willing to reiterate the proofs I have presented. Reiterate. You guys can go through the proofs I have presented my search feature but I am willing to reiterate them. Most of the Atheists here have not iterated even once all the proofs I have presented let alone the proofs out there in the earth available for us to read, comprehend, and understand.

If you are not willing to do it, that's fine. As long as you understand none of you are presenting proofs or showing why you agree with the Atheists that supposedly refuted my arguments, then most of you have not justified your stance to others.

Once again, what you call "proofs" and "evidence", we call "claims".

Because it's your belief system you will accept it without question.  If it was someone else's belief system, the same claims would be rejected.

What you're trying to do here is push the burden of proof onto us.  It doesn't work that way.

In Islam, do you accept every claim that is presented to you?  Even contradictory ones from two competing sources within your religion?

[drfuzzy]

I am willing to reiterate the proofs I have presented. Reiterate. You guys can go through the proofs I have presented my search feature but I am willing to reiterate them. Most of the Atheists here have not iterated even once all the proofs I have presented let alone the proofs out there in the earth available for us to read, comprehend, and understand.

If you are not willing to do it, that's fine. As long as you understand none of you are presenting proofs or showing why you agree with the Atheists that supposedly refuted my arguments, then most of you have not justified your stance to others.

(sigh)
How many times do we have to say it?
Arguments aren't "proofs".  Quotes from "special" books aren't "proof".  Anecdotes and personal stories aren't "proof".  Philosophical musings aren't "proof".  Writings or teachings from religious leaders aren't "proof".  The beauty of nature is not "proof".  

Concrete, non-falsifiable evidence only.  Basically, a deity is going to have to show up and speak for itself.  If a creature that supposedly created the universe can't even prove its own existence, we shouldn't pay any attention.  If a god needs human beings for anything, then it's helpless and weak and powerless and is NOT a god.

This is one of the 1000 reasons I am an atheist.

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, just run with it.  MK thinks he presented the best possible "proof".  Well, okay, if that;s the case, then the best that god has just isn;t compelling to me.  

Therefore..I remain the atheist I;ve always been. It would be entirely irrational for me to prostrate myself before some stupid god I don;t believe in based upon an argument I find wholly unconvincing.