Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[polymath257]

I don't assume anything, we do however know there is always a brain involved the question is

Science doesn't know that. Science never observed consciousness. Scientifically consciousness doesn't exist so you can't claim that something that doesn't exist is located inside brain.

Garbage. We observe conscious entities all the time. For that matter, we interact with conscious entities all the time. We can study these entities and figure out what sorts of things affect them and their level of consciousness. We can correlate those observations with other information we collect, say about location of brain damage from strokes or bullets and determine which areas of the brain mediate which aspects of conscious behavior. We have learned how to use brain scans to read simple thoughts, how to use such to direct movement of robotic arms to restore limbs, etc. We have learned the specific chemistry of different brain regions and correlated that chemistry with behavior and other aspects of consciousness.

Everything we have shows that consciousness, thoughts, emotions, feelings, etc are ALL aspects of how the brain processes information.

The concept of a philosophical zombie is a thought-experiment that is ultimately incoherent: such entities could not exist. Once we know the physical aspects of the brain and the senses, the thoughts, emotions, and yes, qualia are determined. As Chalmers would say, everything supervenes on the physical (not what he believed, but that is the language he would use).

[Dmitry1983]

Science doesn't know that. Science never observed consciousness. Scientifically consciousness doesn't exist so you can't claim that something that doesn't exist is located inside brain.

Everything we have shows that consciousness, thoughts, emotions, feelings, etc are ALL aspects of how the brain processes information.

Can you make computer have subjective experience? What C++ code will make CPU feel pain?

The concept of a philosophical zombie is a thought-experiment that is ultimately incoherent: such entities could not exist.

Why? Can you prove it scientifically?

[polymath257]

Everything we have shows that consciousness, thoughts, emotions, feelings, etc are ALL aspects of how the brain processes information.

Can you make computer have subjective experience? What C++ code will make CPU feel pain?

The concept of a philosophical zombie is a thought-experiment that is ultimately incoherent: such entities could not exist.

Why? Can you prove it scientifically?

Well, what is pain? It is an adversive reaction to a potentially damaging stimulus. I don't see any reason why that isn't possible in silicon.

One problem, at this point, is that our computers tend to not be the massively parallel processors that brains are. They are also not programmed to learn from the environment by use of adversive and attractive stimuli. Finally, they are not currently the result of an evolutionary process involving survival and reproduction in a real world situation.

My belief is that most of these will be required in order to actually produce artificial consciousness, but I may be too pessimistic.

Scientific proof, in the current context, consists of noting that every conscious entity we have ever seen has a brain, that brain states are, in fact, sufficient to explain observed conscious behavior, and there is no reason to suspect anything else is involved. I really fail to see any 'hard' problem of consciousness.

I'd also point out that we wouldn't expect the CPU to 'feel pain' any more than individual neurons 'feel pain'. Pain is a processed state not a simple one.

[Dmitry1983]

Can you make computer have subjective experience? What C++ code will make CPU feel pain?

Why? Can you prove it scientifically?

Well, what is pain? It is an adversive reaction to a potentially damaging stimulus. I don't see any reason why that isn't possible in silicon.

Supercomputers are more powerful than human brains. Reproducing single artificial qualia like feeling of pain should have been done by now

[Amarok]

Supercomputers are more powerful than human brains. Reproducing single artificial qualia like feeling of pain should have been done by now

Care to back that up 

[Dmitry1983]

Can you make computer have subjective experience? What C++ code will make CPU feel pain?

Why? Can you prove it scientifically?

Scientific proof, in the current context, consists of noting that every conscious entity we have ever seen has a brain, that brain states are, in fact, sufficient to explain observed conscious behavior, 

Behavior is not mind

[Amarok]

Behaviour is not mind

Assertion

[polymath257]

Well, what is pain? It is an adversive reaction to a potentially damaging stimulus. I don't see any reason why that isn't possible in silicon.

Supercomputers are more powerful than human brains. Reproducing single artificial qualia like feeling of pain should have been done by now

No, they are not. They are uniformly linear processors, based on a Von Neumann technology, which is quite different than the architecture of the brain.

They are more powerful in the sense of being able to process certain types of data faster, but they are not programmed to interact with an environment, learn from mistakes, and to survive. This drastically limits their ability to do the types of things required for consciousness.

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Scientific proof, in the current context, consists of noting that every conscious entity we have ever seen has a brain, that brain states are, in fact, sufficient to explain observed conscious behavior, 

Behaviour is not mind

Behavior shows the effects of mind and can be used to analyze mind. If we can correlate brain states to reported conscious states, that is more than sufficient to establish that consciousness derives from brain states.

[Crossless2.0]

Dmitry, what flavor of theist are you?

[possibletarian]

Dmitry, what flavor of theist are you?

Good question