The dawn of civilization

[Angrboda]

You see, I don't mind listening and learning from others who have the stones to engage material.  Got it Dorothy?

Funny, you didn't have the stones to engage the material I presented. Typical dishonest Christian hypocrite. "Do as I say, not as I do."

[T0 Th3 M4X]

I'm happy to have a serious conversation about it.  It has been awhile since I've discussed it, so curious as to where it has gone. Thanks for sharing and asking questions.

 Cool!

So, long story short, there are multiple independant observations that... when those who've experts at studying and thinking about such things... Lead to the conclusion/idea that:

1) Currently all the observable galaxies (Give or take one or two that, due to line of travel) are moving away from one another.

2) If you 'Rewind' said motion then 'Everything' ends up resceeding back to a single 'Place'/'Point'.

So, at a place in the rather distant past 'Everything' as we know it (Matter, atoms, space/time etc) was simply a "One-ness'.

Now, much like the Black Hole, our current understanding of... 'Everything' breaks down when such ridonculous things are thought about.
What does it mean about 'Time/space' when the energies at a certain point have smooshed sich things into a no longer coherant or meaningful state?

So, that's the thought about past which, over time, led us to the here and now.

Does the above help? Sorry for my crud lay-man's handling of the subject.

Not at work.

Thanks for sharing.

1. Sounds like a reasonable conclusion, so no problem here.

2. "Rewind" is a bit of a difficulty for me here.  Anytime you extrapolate information, especially over long periods of time, it makes it unlucky that you'll get a clear result that can be considered conclusive.  One major anomaly or many smaller interference(s) including mild changes in conditions can dramatically change what actually was, compared to what we consider as likely.  Can you maybe expand on the idea of "rewind" and how they were able to rewind to a single point with certainty.  Also, I'm just asking out of curiosity so don't take it as more than that.

[Peebothuhlu]

Thanks for sharing.

1. Sounds like a reasonable conclusion, so no problem here.

2. "Rewind" is a bit of a difficulty for me here.  Anytime you extrapolate information, especially over long periods of time, it makes it unlucky that you'll get a clear result that can be considered conclusive.  One major anomaly or many smaller interference(s) including mild changes in conditions can dramatically change what actually was, compared to what we consider as likely.  Can you maybe expand on the idea of "rewind" and how they were able to rewind to a single point with certainty.  Also, I'm just asking out of curiosity so don't take it as more than that.

Because no matter in which direction the Cosmologists look everything is expanding away from everything else.

So 'Shrinking' everything puts it all back to/at 'Point 0'.

At the scales they are talking about... those 'Small anomalies'? They work out to evidence themselves as HUGE developments that we see in the stars/galaxies around us.

Here's the firstt, quick, Google-foo link to one such anomalous 'space'... uhm.. out in, well, space...

https://www.wired.com/2007/08/giant-interstel/

 A great big place of... nothing.

So, yah, I agree there are/should be anomalies and... well... they're finding them.

 So, that's a simple version of why things all came from a 'Big expansion'. Things were a LOT closer together... And not they aren't.

Not at work.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

One more question @ Peebo Where exactly is the location of the point?

I'm getting ready to head out, so if you respond it will probably be this evening before I can respond back. Have a good one. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or whatever it is you celebrate.

[Peebothuhlu]

One more question @ Peebo  Where exactly is the location of the point?

I'm getting ready to head out, so if you respond it will probably be this evening before I can respond back. Have a good one.  Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or whatever it is you celebrate.

Ah... that's the bit that does my head in.

Asking "Where was the centre" is kind of like asking "What's North of the North pole." Space... sometimes doesn't work the way we think it works.

 (As anaside? I HIGHLY recommend 'Kerbal Space Program' if you want to get a good 'Hands on' about orbital mechanics and such.   )

There... effectivly is not a 'Center' as we ground bound intelligences like to think of such.

It was just 'Back there'. Which brings us to part 2 of the "What indicates a big expansion."

Same here.... "Work, work! Okey, dokey."

Not at work.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

One more question @ Peebo  Where exactly is the location of the point?

I'm getting ready to head out, so if you respond it will probably be this evening before I can respond back. Have a good one.  Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or whatever it is you celebrate.

Ah... that's the bit that does my head in.

Asking "Where was the centre" is kind of like asking "What's North of the North pole." Space... sometimes doesn't work the way we think it works.

 (As anaside? I HIGHLY recommend 'Kerbal Space Program' if you want to get a good 'Hands on' about orbital mechanics and such.   )

There... effectivly is not a 'Center' as we ground bound intelligences like to think of such.

It was just 'Back there'. Which brings us to part 2 of the "What indicates a big expansion."

Same here.... "Work, work! Okey, dokey."

Not at work.

I had Kerbal back when it was early access.  I didn't get into it as much as some people, but I have a buddy that can spend hours trying to boost rockets into orbit.  Probably better for the Kerbals if I'm not building their spaceships. 

When I was a kid, the old Lunar Landing game came out.  I can't even remember if that's the actual name, but it was B&W and the whole thing was trying to land a spaceship vertically on the moon.  My have times changed.

As far as the BB and point of expanse, it becomes a difficulty for me if there's a point that can't be pointed to.  Of course I believe an expanse from a central point is possible, but it's also something I would rather understand in context of a said event.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

There isn't a 'Centre of everything' because our vantage point is partly skewed by the speed of light limit.

Y'see, the further away we look..... the farther back in time we see.

Reality is weird like that.

The context is that currently we have a few things that, when placed side by side, definately show that our reality is, was and always has been 'Expanding'.

That we can effectivly 'See' the after glow of a certain point in time of said Big Expansion is another thing regarding the 'B,E'

[T0 Th3 M4X]

At work.

There isn't a 'Centre of everything' because our vantage point is partly skewed by the speed of light limit.

Y'see, the further away we look..... the farther back in time we see.

Reality is weird like that.

The context is that currently we have a few things that, when placed side by side, definately show that our reality is, was and always has been 'Expanding'.

That we can effectivly 'See' the after glow of a certain point in time of said Big Expansion is another thing regarding the 'B,E'

The speed of light limit was actually expanded on.  I think it was at MIT they found that it can travel much faster than we believed possible.  I'll have to see if I can find the study in a bit.  I read it about 6 months ago, and have been meaning to look it up again.  I'm not 100 percent sure it was MIT, but I'm still pretty sure it was.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Well.... that will be an interesting read.

Don't forget that light's speed changes through different mediums.

Pretty sure the top end (Normal ) speed of a photon is the upper limit.

[Angrboda]

Asking for the center of space in a world ruled by general relativity seems rather inappropriate, but then, I'm no physicist.