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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 4, 2019 at 10:49 pm
(January 4, 2019 at 10:04 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: (January 4, 2019 at 8:53 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You are wrong. Go back to your dreams kid. Maybe there your excuses with hold weight with everything else you're fabricating there.
Your replies make me chuckle.
Are you on shrooms right now or simply all the time.
You bring up my dreams quite often in a thread that has nothing to do with it.
And you speak of excuses and fabricating things.
You might as well start talking about how the aliens touched you on Uranus.
That would make just as much sense.
Pray to your god to see if he knows what a glubitron is.
I already know that you don't know.
Maybe your mind is on excuses because you're trying to make up one for why your god doesn't know.
Don't do shrooms. Is that your secret to your powers? Sorry, not sure how it works for guys like you and Batman.
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 5, 2019 at 12:22 am
(January 4, 2019 at 10:49 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (January 4, 2019 at 10:04 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Your replies make me chuckle.
Are you on shrooms right now or simply all the time.
You bring up my dreams quite often in a thread that has nothing to do with it.
And you speak of excuses and fabricating things.
You might as well start talking about how the aliens touched you on Uranus.
That would make just as much sense.
Pray to your god to see if he knows what a glubitron is.
I already know that you don't know.
Maybe your mind is on excuses because you're trying to make up one for why your god doesn't know.
Don't do shrooms. Is that your secret to your powers? Sorry, not sure how it works for guys like you and Batman.
The aliens must have done more than mess with Uranus. It appears they screwed with your head as well.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 5, 2019 at 12:32 am
At work.
(January 4, 2019 at 10:32 pm)Angelina Wrote: (December 31, 2018 at 12:32 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: I'm sorry but I have to nitpick about this.
Firstly, human civilization goes back 10 or so thousand years with hunter-gartheres going back 50 or so thousand before that.
The current 'Monotheistic' phase only goes back a couple thousand. With secularism and separation between church and state occuring for an easy quarter of even that time.
The assertion of 'My theism has done more good' is demonstrably false given just the time scales of history involved.
Sorry for the slight pedantry. That's ok. What I should have said was since it's inception, Christianity has done more good in world than any group of people who have ever existed.
That's okay.
Though your claim still rings hollow given the small amount of time and scant geographical area the religion held its monopoly.
One and a half thousand years in Europe.... Isn't muh compared to every where and every when else, Luv.
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January 5, 2019 at 12:40 am
(January 4, 2019 at 10:32 pm)Angelina Wrote: What I should have said was since it's inception, Christianity has done more good in world than any group of people who have ever existed.
Oh yeah? Do you know who said “Kill them all, God will recognize his own!” do you?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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January 5, 2019 at 1:03 am
(January 5, 2019 at 12:22 am)Rahn127 Wrote: (January 4, 2019 at 10:49 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Don't do shrooms. Is that your secret to your powers? Sorry, not sure how it works for guys like you and Batman.
The aliens must have done more than mess with Uranus. It appears they screwed with your head as well.
Now you think aliens exist?
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January 5, 2019 at 1:03 am
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(January 5, 2019 at 12:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (January 4, 2019 at 10:32 pm)Angelina Wrote: What I should have said was since it's inception, Christianity has done more good in world than any group of people who have ever existed.
Oh yeah? Do you know who said “Kill them all, God will recognize his own!” do you?
No one following the teachings of Jesus Christ would ever say anything remotely like that. I know you are talking about the Crusades. No one considers those to be Christians though. It's like saying the KKK are Christians, or the Westboro Baptists are Christians. It is just not true. They are the wicked people who Jesus warned us about. They are the hypocrites, and they are fakes. Anyone who is familiar with the Bible and the commands of God and Jesus Christ realizes that.
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January 5, 2019 at 1:33 am
(January 5, 2019 at 1:03 am)Angelina Wrote: (January 5, 2019 at 12:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Oh yeah? Do you know who said “Kill them all, God will recognize his own!” do you?
No one following the teachings of Jesus Christ would ever say anything remotely like that. I know you are talking about the Crusades. No one considers those to be Christians though. It's like saying the KKK are Christians, or the Westboro Baptists are Christians. It is just not true. They are the wicked people who Jesus warned us about. They are the hypocrites, and they are fakes. Anyone who is familiar with the Bible and the commands of God and Jesus Christ realizes that.
So when you say "history of Christianity" you mean when your particular denomination started. And when was that? 19th century?
And of course this kind of stance you have "they're not real Christians" is what got Christians killing each other for millennia now. Just like the quote I mentioned - it was from a war between "fake Christians and real Christians".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 5, 2019 at 1:33 am
(January 5, 2019 at 1:03 am)Angelina Wrote: (January 5, 2019 at 12:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Oh yeah? Do you know who said “Kill them all, God will recognize his own!” do you?
No one following the teachings of Jesus Christ would ever say anything remotely like that. I know you are talking about the Crusades. No one considers those to be Christians though. It's like saying the KKK are Christians, or the Westboro Baptists are Christians. It is just not true. They are the wicked people who Jesus warned us about. They are the hypocrites, and they are fakes. Anyone who is familiar with the Bible and the commands of God and Jesus Christ realizes that.
The quote Fake is using here may or may not be real. Nobody knows for sure. It was supposedly said at the massacre of Beziers, which took place in 1209.
The attack was part of a military drive against a Christian heresy, Catharism. The overall crusade was known as the Albigensian Crusade.
The Cathars began as strict Christians who thought that the Catholic establishment was corrupt. The Vatican couldn't stand opposition, and ordered them wiped out. It began as a theological dispute, but it became more than that when Catholic noblemen were told they could keep the lands of Cathar-supporting noblemen whom they defeated. Suddenly a lot of indifferent Catholics signed up to fight.
When the guy said, "Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are his own," he knew full well that the guy who was paying him would get to keep the land.
So it's one of those things that the anti-religious can point to, which proves nothing to the religious. Fake can say that it shows the evil of Christians, while Christians can say it shows the worldly greed of the military and proves that the murdered Cathars were correct. Nothing gets accomplished this way.
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January 5, 2019 at 1:54 am
(January 5, 2019 at 1:33 am)Belaqua Wrote: Fake can say that it shows the evil of Christians
All I'm saying is that the claim "Christianity has done more good in world than any group of people who have ever existed" is not true for history of christianity is one holocaust after another.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 5, 2019 at 3:34 am
(December 31, 2018 at 8:12 am)polymath257 Wrote: (December 30, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Angelina Wrote: Isn't everything that exists really evidence for God? Do you think the necessary chemicals and other building blocks of the universe could have just materialized out of thin air on their own? If so, how do you justify this belief?
No. Why would it be evidence of a God? Remember that God is supposed to be a supernatural being that is able to create universes, dictate morality, etc.
How is the existence of physical things evidence of a supernatural?
Because if God created the universe, that means God created everything in the universe.
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