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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent Design Argument
May 6, 2019 at 12:41 am
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(May 5, 2019 at 11:53 pm)Jrouche Wrote: (May 5, 2019 at 11:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Temember that ID is a repackaged and renamed creationism.
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V, Thanks for your input. Yes, I have given him lengthy explanations and even pointed out it was defeated in court and could not be taught in science classes because it was religious based and they used God in the premises.They then changed it to Intelligent Designer or agent to skirt the legal arguments and it was still rejected. Sigh...
here's something else, the universe, humans and everything else is so poorly designed to anyone who knows anything about a particular field the only conclusion you can draw for an intelligence that created everything is that said intelligence is very pathetic and stupid.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 12:55 am
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 1:03 am
(May 6, 2019 at 12:55 am)Losty Wrote: Moderator NoticeI’ve merged the two threads since they were the same
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 1:13 am
(May 6, 2019 at 1:03 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (May 6, 2019 at 12:55 am)Losty Wrote: Moderator NoticeI’ve merged the two threads since they were the same
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Thanks!!!! I'll print all the responses tomorrow. Best, John
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent Design Argument
May 6, 2019 at 4:01 am
(May 5, 2019 at 10:57 pm)Jrouche Wrote: (May 5, 2019 at 10:50 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: IDK if I have time to help you draft an argument, but you can bounce ideas of me. What's this 3 pronged argument? Thanks for helping. 1) Intelligence is known to cause effects exhibiting information rich and specified complexity.
2) The universe and life are effects that exhibit information rich in specified complexity.
3) Therefore, intelligence is a possible cause for the universe and life.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
John
That one is easy just google complex specified information is bullshit.
What your opponent is doing is probably a variation of the Gish gallop, trotting out arguments quicker than you can refute them and then claiming the win by default. Your best long term strategy is "citation needed", followed by "you already asserted this, you never backed it up though". Shift the burden of proof back to them, because it's their responsibility.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent Design Argument
May 6, 2019 at 4:19 am
(May 5, 2019 at 10:57 pm)Jrouche Wrote: (May 5, 2019 at 10:50 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: IDK if I have time to help you draft an argument, but you can bounce ideas of me. What's this 3 pronged argument? Thanks for helping. 1) Intelligence is known to cause effects exhibiting information rich and specified complexity.
2) The universe and life are effects that exhibit information rich in specified complexity.
3) Therefore, intelligence is a possible cause for the universe and life.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
John
The intelligence of the god that caused the information must be complex and form of information both specific and complex.
As such this MUST have come from a greater intelligence.
So that would be gods god, and of course gods god is complex and specific.....
Its gods all the way up.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 5:09 am
Why did a god design us with a common opening for eating, drinking and breathing, that's stupid design, any first year engineering student could do a better job..... stupid god
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 7:30 am
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 7:58 am
I think I would go with madog’s approach. Even agreeing that it’s one of the many possible explanations but applying occam’s razor Isn’t the simplest necessary likely solution and reiterate that evidentiary ball is in their court
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 9:50 am
(May 5, 2019 at 10:57 pm)Jrouche Wrote: (May 5, 2019 at 10:50 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: IDK if I have time to help you draft an argument, but you can bounce ideas of me. What's this 3 pronged argument? Thanks for helping. 1) Intelligence is known to cause effects exhibiting information rich and specified complexity.
2) The universe and life are effects that exhibit information rich in specified complexity.
3) Therefore, intelligence is a possible cause for the universe and life.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
John
This argument would have been more convincing before we knew as much as we do now about cosmology and evolution. That life evolved is a known fact, and we understand the mechanisms fairly well. Much remains mysterious about the origin of the universe, but we have discovered multiple ways it could exist that don't require any intelligent planner or instigator. The universe could be a product of intelligence, but there's no scientific reason to suppose that it is.
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