Dual core, Quad core??

[Tiberius]

no one can persuade me that Linux is in some way inherently superior to Windows

And you call other people an "evangelist". Your a fundamentalist mate

Fact still remains that Linux is far more secure than Windows for a variety of reasons, and for me, security is everything. Also uses a decent file system so it only needs defragging when the disk is 90% full. My girlfriend's XP laptop was using Windows XP on a FAT32 partition. I mean, come on!

Installing is also far easier. I used to spend ages searching on the internet for decent Windows software that was free, then I had to install and configure it through a series of clicking on "Next" buttons. Linux does it all for you

[Samson]

Here ya go Adrian...LOLOL

[Tiberius]

Erm...right. The "Linux = Communism" argument frequently fails. As GNU founder Richard Stallman said:

Free as in "freedom" not free as in "beer"

There is nothing stopping people from selling their products, and many people frequently do.

[Kyuuketsuki]

no one can persuade me that Linux is in some way inherently superior to Windows

And you call other people an "evangelist". Your a fundamentalist mate

Again Adrian ... read what I said. I said "no one can persuade me it is inherently superior", I DID NOT say that Windows WAS superior nor do I specifically believe it to be so as other comments I have made have repeatedly made clear.

Fact still remains that Linux is far more secure than Windows for a variety of reasons, and for me, security is everything. Also uses a decent file system so it only needs defragging when the disk is 90% full. My girlfriend's XP laptop was using Windows XP on a FAT32 partition. I mean, come on!

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... and it's ONLY the Linux camp that tends to say it, few who know Windows think it's true.

FAT 32? Gimme a fucking break will you? FAT 32 is almost as ancient as DOS!!!!!

Installing is also far easier. I used to spend ages searching on the internet for decent Windows software that was free, then I had to install and configure it through a series of clicking on "Next" buttons. Linux does it all for you

Er ... BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kyu

[Tiberius]

Fine, I apologise for reading your post wrong.

Yes, FAT 32 is ancient, but apparently Windows XP still used it, and NTFS isn't that better. Ext3, Ext4, and ReiserFS all beat NTFS in benchmark tests.

As for your "BULLSHIT"...erm, no it isn't. I really did spend ages searching for decent Windows software on the internet, then I had to download it, extract it, install it by mindlessly clicking "Next", "I accept", etc. Then sometimes I had to restart!!!

With Linux, I fire up my package manager, do a search of the packages (already indexed) and click to install. Linux then downloads, extracts, and does the necessary configuration for you. No program requires a restart either, which I think is pretty nifty. The package manager has been heralded as one of Linux's better points for a reason y'know.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Yes, FAT 32 is ancient, but apparently Windows XP still used it, and NTFS isn't that better. Ext3, Ext4, and ReiserFS all beat NTFS in benchmark tests.

If that's so I am unable to find an unbiased source for the claim and yes NTFS is FAR superior, NTFS for Win 7 even more so.

As for your "BULLSHIT"...erm, no it isn't. I really did spend ages searching for decent Windows software on the internet, then I had to download it, extract it, install it by mindlessly clicking "Next", "I accept", etc. Then sometimes I had to restart!!!

Yeah well, you're wrong ... Windows has far and away more decent software than any other OS. Windows is THE platform that application writers write for commercially and there is no getting away from that ... Apple is coming up hard and fast but right now that is true. Even if you look of source forge there appears to be a bias in favour of Windows (I looked under games only ... 23,000 Windows projects vs 19,000 X Windows ... I've few doubts that could be searched better (it was quick and dirty) and Linux might come out on top but sourceforge used to be the place for Linux alone.

With Linux, I fire up my package manager, do a search of the packages (already indexed) and click to install. Linux then downloads, extracts, and does the necessary configuration for you. No program requires a restart either, which I think is pretty nifty. The package manager has been heralded as one of Linux's better points for a reason y'know.

I'm sure you do but with Windows I click and couple of times, make some option choices and a short time later we;'re done ... everything up and working, shortcuts provided, menu items provided, no dependency hell (I know that's a bit ancient for most distros) and so on ... if you treat Windows reasonably well it just works and it really is THAT simple.

Oh yeah, and outside of patching very few Windows installs require a restart either but, even if it does, it's because Windows is monolithic (I think that's the word) and Linux isn't (one of it's advantages) but (let's make no mistake about this, whilst the whole OS may not have to restart components do so there IS a restart it's simply handled differently (better) under Linux.

Kyu

Kyu

[Tiberius]

Well you probably won't count this as "unbiased" but here are some benchmarks that looks similar to others I have seen:

http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/resourc...hmarks.htm

ReiserFS does completely wipe the floor with both NTFS and EXT3 though, which is pretty awesome. Shame the guy who made it is in jail for murder. I'm sure some other people are working on it now

I never doubted that Windows had more software, my point was that I had to search through loads of software before picking one that I thought was good. I then had to install it and restart. With Linux and a package manager, you get the same as you stated (everything working, shortcuts provided, menu items provided). You mention dependency hell even though you no it's not a problem with a package manager, so please drop that as an argument.

I don't want to treat Windows "reasonably". I want to treat it the way I would any computer. I want to install a load of stuff on it that I need to use, and I want it to work. This shouldn't be a difficult task; after all, it's what computers were designed for. If you come to me and say "Adrian, you can either have this OS which is free and has less choice in software (but no gaps in software genres I might add), or you can pay for this OS which has loads more choices (some shareware, some freeware, some even adware!) but you have to treat it nicely, not putting too much strain on it" then I know which one I'd pick.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Well you probably won't count this as "unbiased" but here are some benchmarks that looks similar to others I have seen:

http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/resourc...hmarks.htm

You'd be right but just to emphasize the nut job factor did you check his site ... he's a 911 CT nut (sure it has nothing to do with Linux but it doesn't sell his reliability or objectiveness to me).

ReiserFS does completely wipe the floor with both NTFS and EXT3 though, which is pretty awesome. Shame the guy who made it is in jail for murder. I'm sure some other people are working on it now

Like I said earlier I'd want to see an objective assessment before I accept that kind of claim ... it is, after all, the kind of thing Linux (and every other OS) evangelists say all the time.

Another reliable chappy then?

I never doubted that Windows had more software, my point was that I had to search through loads of software before picking one that I thought was good. I then had to install it and restart. With Linux and a package manager, you get the same as you stated (everything working, shortcuts provided, menu items provided). You mention dependency hell even though you no it's not a problem with a package manager, so please drop that as an argument.

Whatever!

I don't want to treat Windows "reasonably". I want to treat it the way I would any computer. I want to install a load of stuff on it that I need to use, and I want it to work. This shouldn't be a difficult task; after all, it's what computers were designed for. If you come to me and say "Adrian, you can either have this OS which is free and has less choice in software (but no gaps in software genres I might add), or you can pay for this OS which has loads more choices (some shareware, some freeware, some even adware!) but you have to treat it nicely, not putting too much strain on it" then I know which one I'd pick.

My OS is free ... OK it's a release candidate but it's currently free

My other OS was free too but the less said about that the better hock:

I don't agree about treating it nicely in the way your words imply, I just saying you treat it with respect in the sense of you don't expect to go surfing around porn and warez sites whilst not worrying about updates, anti-virus and anti-adware ... it is simply sensible to take precautions.

Kyu

[Tiberius]

Well I missed the 9/11 thing since all I was looking for were some decent benchmark tests, and if you read through how he did them they seem to indicate he knows what he is talking about as far as filesystems are concerned.

I did find some conference slides from "Linux Kongress 2006" which seems to take an unbiased view (it even makes fun of the people (not me) who say "M$ suxors"). It looks quite interesting though:

http://bulk.fefe.de/lk2006/ (click on the slides link)

Whatever!

You can say "Whatever" all you like, but it doesn't halt the fact that package managers set up all the shortcuts and menu links, and handle all dependencies. You keep on using that argument and people will keep on refuting it. You compared me to an evangelist earlier, so now I'll compare you to a creationist, always using the same refuted arguments

Oh, and by "free" I do mean legitimate. I know people love to steal Windows, but that doesn't make it a free OS.

[Samson]

Erm...right. The "Linux = Communism" argument frequently fails. As GNU founder Richard Stallman said:

Free as in "freedom" not free as in "beer"

There is nothing stopping people from selling their products, and many people frequently do.

Oh trust me I know the same, I was just messing with you because I knew you were a fan of Linux....LOLOL