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RE: Literal and Not Literal
September 11, 2019 at 11:08 pm
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Quote:Every possible outcome if the theory of evolution is correct. Outcomes that don't depend on common descent aren't included. If one occurs, you've falsified at least part of evolution. The theory will have to be revised to account for the new information, or possibly scrapped if the evidence is too contradictory, for example if it were to turn out that lemurs are more closely related genetically to bananas than gorillas.
Focusing on the banana comment, I don't know if lemurs being more closely related to bananas than gorillas is grounds for scrapping the theory. As long as relatedness is present anywhere, the theory doesn't care which species are in fact related. The only thing that would change is our concept that gorillas and lemurs are related, but little else.
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
September 12, 2019 at 10:03 am
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September 12, 2019 at 1:58 pm
(September 12, 2019 at 10:03 am)Fierce Wrote: ![[Image: 70562766_2660223067330263_28809656215063...e=5E3D967D]](https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70562766_2660223067330263_2880965621506375680_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQkjWApBCyg1Ow-zzREfA0pqQrV1_Lw8NcsszeRpN05uuNfSSumYcyLXGDnUnNQ3Ny4&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=56a29f40ea420ee5288eba4fb082a08a&oe=5E3D967D)
Yeah, but Zeus didn’t fuck his own mother to give himself birth, so obviously zeus is not real where as one who is said to have done that is real.
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
September 12, 2019 at 2:35 pm
(September 12, 2019 at 1:58 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (September 12, 2019 at 10:03 am)Fierce Wrote:
Yeah, but Zeus didn’t fuck his own mother to give himself birth, so obviously zeus is not real where as one who is said to have done that is real.
Yabut, can you impregnate a virgin? We can with modern technics, I personally can only do it via the usual penis go in and out, repeatedly.
Cunniliguous is a thing, like fellatios, but those do not impregnate women. It has to be the peen.
I would never fuck my mother, I was lucky to get out her murky place.
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
October 28, 2019 at 1:29 am
(August 28, 2019 at 7:13 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (August 28, 2019 at 9:08 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Indeed, as branches of science—evolutionary biology, geology, history, and archaeology—have disproved scriptural claims one by one, those claims have morphed from literal truths into allegories. This is the big difference between science and religion: When a scientific claim is disproved, it goes into the dustbin of good ideas that simply didn’t pan out. When a religious claim is disproved, it then turns into a metaphor that imparts a made-up “lesson.” And the theological mind is endlessly creative, always able to find a moral or philosophical point in fictitious stories. Hell, for instance, has become a metaphor for “separation from God”. Or the story of Adam & Eve that is now some sort of a lesson how evil humans are.
Ah, here again, we have the unproven assumption that holy books start out as literal and then get re-interpreted as non-literal. Do you have some documentary evidence to show this?
Yeah I'm apparently making "unproven assumptions" that Bible started out as literal and then get re-interpreted as non-literal - as if that is not an obvious knowledge to everyone who knows anything about Christianity.
I mean is Belacqua that stupid or is he just trolling?
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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October 28, 2019 at 2:11 am
(October 28, 2019 at 1:29 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (August 28, 2019 at 7:13 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Ah, here again, we have the unproven assumption that holy books start out as literal and then get re-interpreted as non-literal. Do you have some documentary evidence to show this?
Yeah I'm apparently making "unproven assumptions" that Bible started out as literal and then get re-interpreted as non-literal - as if that is not an obvious knowledge to everyone who knows anything about Christianity.
I understand you are willing to believe anything a priest says in a video, if you happen to agree with it.
Paul, in the New Testament, interprets Genesis allegorically. Normally Paul is thought to have some authority in Christianity.
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
October 28, 2019 at 2:29 am
(October 28, 2019 at 2:11 am)Belacqua Wrote: I understand you are willing to believe anything a priest says in a video, if you happen to agree with it.
Paul, in the New Testament, interprets Genesis allegorically. Normally Paul is thought to have some authority in Christianity.
First, he's not a priest but bishop of Oxford.
Second, Paul did interpret Genesis literally, for instance he was known of saying stuff like that he doesn't permit women to teach or to have authority over a man because Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
October 28, 2019 at 2:53 am
(October 28, 2019 at 2:29 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (October 28, 2019 at 2:11 am)Belacqua Wrote: I understand you are willing to believe anything a priest says in a video, if you happen to agree with it.
Paul, in the New Testament, interprets Genesis allegorically. Normally Paul is thought to have some authority in Christianity.
First, he's not a priest but bishop of Oxford.
Second, Paul did interpret Genesis literally, for instance he was known of saying stuff like that he doesn't permit women to teach or to have authority over a man because Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
October 30, 2019 at 10:40 pm
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Paul, the guy who said..in no uncertain terms..that if christ hadn't been raised from the dead then all of christian belief was a lie, and futile?
That guy, an allegorical believer, you reckon?
Bel..the allegorical sects were declared heresies. "Paul"s literal sect is the one that won, lol. You seem to be confusing the gospel of fucking marcion for "christian" theology. That ship sailed over a thousand years ago. The jackasses who made that decision werent even wrong./.because allegorical beliefs are categorically unchristian. Christ is a job title, not a poetic description of a character.
Christians believe in a christ, not in the general idea of the moral of a story about a fictional character called christ.
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RE: Literal and Not Literal
November 1, 2019 at 3:31 pm
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(October 28, 2019 at 2:53 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 28, 2019 at 2:29 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: First, he's not a priest but bishop of Oxford.
Second, Paul did interpret Genesis literally, for instance he was known of saying stuff like that he doesn't permit women to teach or to have authority over a man because Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory
Even pretty strict literalists will concede an allegory or metaphor here and there. Or adhere to a "dual interpretation". It is clear that Abraham is presented as a historic person and his story is supposed to be literally true. Paul here is doing a "dual interpretation", a literal one with a symbolic one superimposed on it.
All this means is that even a literalist / inerrantist can make the scriptures say whatever they please. Just deploy confirmation bias to fanciful patterns. "Coincidence? I think not!!"
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