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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 11:49 am
(December 11, 2019 at 11:46 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The franchise has always changed with it's fans. John here would prefer a less-curse happy god, and a less curse-happy magic book. Fundamentally, John doesn't believe in the god of magic book any more than he believes in biology..and that's understandable, since his culture and values are at odds with the culture and values deified in magic book and with the reality of life as described by genetics.
To the authors, it was important that a god possess and demonstrate this ability. What kind of shit god couldn't lay a proper curse? Jphn, however, wonders what kind of shit god would.
See, if I had written the book, I would have made it plain that these people were created with the knowledge of right and wrong/good and evil. Then I would have had God warn them about eating from a particular tree because God said so.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 11:52 am
(December 11, 2019 at 10:55 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The word curse is only invoked when addressing the ground or the serpent, not Adam or Eve. You are going beyond the story in your claim.
Fine, god only cursed the serpent and ground, punished adam and eve.
Didn't god need to curse/punish everything to account for DNA errors? Or are the readers of the bible just making things up as an easy way to explain inconsistencies away?
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 11:54 am
If the almighty fucktard omniscient, wouldn't the "fall" have been in the script from day 0?
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2019 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Not in the view of the authors of the story, no. There was alot of shit that god didn't know. He's been learning on the job - but he has a plan..so, you know, there's that.
It's important to remember that genesis wasn't created by any existent religious tradition. It goes allllll the way back to henotheism. It isn't even attempting to describe the creation of people. Just gods chosen race.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 1:54 pm
What kind of almighty figure is so incompetent?
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 2:27 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2019 at 2:32 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(December 11, 2019 at 9:20 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Instead, scripture describes a perfect creation that fell, bringing death and imperfections into the fold.
Wow man, and in the old Greek mythology Pandora opened a jar containing sickness, death and many other unspecified evils which were then released into the world.
The truth is that every mythology has that kind of "explanation" and decline from Golden Age to now which is a "shit age". Like I mentioned Dogon's earlier with first human being born too early. Hinduism has Yugas (eras) and we are (surprise, surprise) living in the worst era called Kali Yuga. And all of the mythologies blame humans for all the malice in the world.
And it's of course a scam to bail out gods and wash their hands from responsibility, but it is also not very successful scam because it still leaves gods as angry, petty, incompetent and stupid.
Needles to say that there is no evidence that Golden age/ perfect age/ world ever existed.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2019 at 3:55 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Simon Moon, how boring.
The only requirement to converse in any subject is a brain not a PhD. If you're not interested in these conversations, at the very least let those that are continue to participate.
If you'd like, I'll forward you the PDFs for my university's biology and genetics textbooks. I look forward to hearing from you when you feel more qualified.
Let me respond to this a different way, that might make my previous point a bit clearer.
So, let's say that Yukon Jack comes to an atheist forum, with quite a few random atheists as members, very few of which claim to have any expert level knowledge of molecular biology, DNA, etc. But neither does Jack have that level of expertise.
Lets say, he is even able to convince a few atheists on the forum with his argument, that there was a creator deity or deities responsible for the complexity of DNA. What does that prove? As far as I can tell, all it would prove would be, that they were convinced for bad reasons. Argument from ignorance being the main bad reason ("I can't figure out how DNA could have come about via natural means, so a god must be responsible"). Another bad reason would be, the claim that complexity is a sign of design (when it is not).
What kind of victory is that? A guy who is not an expert in the subject under discussion, convinces other people who are not experts in the subject, that a god designed DNA.
To bring my expertise back to the discussion, that would be a bit like, a non expert on how routers work, convincing a bunch of other non experts, that 'IP fairies' are responsible for moving IP packets around the network.
This is the problem I pointed out in my other post you commented on.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 2:52 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2019 at 2:54 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
(December 11, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Wow man, and in the old Greek mythology Pandora opened a jar containing sickness, death and many other unspecified evils which were then released into the world.
The truth is that every mythology has that kind of "explanation" and decline from Golden Age to now which is a "shit age". Like I mentioned Dogon's earlier with first human being born too early. Hinduism has Yugas (eras) and we are (surprise, surprise) living in the worst era called Kali Yuga. And all of the mythologies blame humans for all the malice in the world.
I agree there are an abundance of explanations in existence; but you specifically asked how the bible explains imperfections, which it's narrative accounts for. If you wish to argue it is wrong and similar to other mythologies by all means do so.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 3:02 pm
(December 11, 2019 at 2:52 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (December 11, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Wow man, and in the old Greek mythology Pandora opened a jar containing sickness, death and many other unspecified evils which were then released into the world.
The truth is that every mythology has that kind of "explanation" and decline from Golden Age to now which is a "shit age". Like I mentioned Dogon's earlier with first human being born too early. Hinduism has Yugas (eras) and we are (surprise, surprise) living in the worst era called Kali Yuga. And all of the mythologies blame humans for all the malice in the world.
I agree there are an abundance of explanations in existence; but you specifically asked how the bible explains imperfections, which it's narrative accounts for. If you wish to argue it is wrong and similar to other mythologies by all means do so.
The principle of explosion. Its a thing. Based on contradictions, you can posit anything. I'd suggest you to take an optional course in formal logic. When you do, you will know what I am talking about. Formal logic isn't part of your curriculum as far I can tell.
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RE: The code that is DNA
December 11, 2019 at 3:43 pm
(December 10, 2019 at 9:08 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I'm confused
Should've stopped right there. My previous post was easily understood, except for by the terminally stupid.
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