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November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm
How is it that the organ known as the "brain," made up of cells which are made up of atoms (carbon, oxygen, etc) can get emotions, feelings and thoughts from an electrical impulse (energy) and make communicate with the other matter in a way that the atoms of the brain can react?
Basically, how can bodies which are only matter have life?
Also, how can abiogenesis work? Life coming from non-life? It sounds similar to matter coming from non-matter (nothing).
Ps, by life coming from non-life, I DON'T mean organic molecules. Im sure you can make that in a lab. But make some that can talk to others, form a government, and create morals. Only then will I have the proof needed to have faith in abiogenesis. Otherwise it's just blind faith.
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November 19, 2011 at 12:34 am
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 19, 2011 at 12:36 am
Would you be willing to relieve yourself of your matter to test this implied assumption?
Hmn, troubling for all gods except living breathing ones. Since life can only come from life. Sounds like an quantifiable god all of a sudden.
Ah, so you mean you have no problem with abiogenesis, you just don't like to picture yourself as a product of such? How about you give the lab a couple billion years to play catch-up?
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 19, 2011 at 4:00 am
I guess the world coming into existence in seven days is something we can all comprehend. We all might as well just believe in that.
Because you aren't familiar with it doesn't make it not true; I suggest The Greatest Show On Earth by Dawkins, if you care to read anything from a blasphemous heathen.
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 19, 2011 at 4:53 am
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: How is it that the organ known as the "brain," made up of cells which are made up of atoms (carbon, oxygen, etc) can get emotions, feelings and thoughts from an electrical impulse (energy) and make communicate with the other matter in a way that the atoms of the brain can react?
Basically, how can bodies which are only matter have life?
Also, how can abiogenesis work? Life coming from non-life? It sounds similar to matter coming from non-matter (nothing).
Ps, by life coming from non-life, I DON'T mean organic molecules. Im sure you can make that in a lab. But make some that can talk to others, form a government, and create morals. Only then will I have the proof needed to have faith in abiogenesis. Otherwise it's just blind faith.
Thank you!
These and many more questions/issues have been asked and responded to ad naseum in this forum. Rather than wasting my time by making it easy for you by responding line item by line item, I suggest you yourself take some time and read what has already been posted. If you then have additional questions that you cannot find the answers to, do come back and ask them.
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 19, 2011 at 7:18 am
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(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Basically, how can bodies which are only matter have life? The question is nonsensical. The meaning of the noun "Body" is the physical structure of a person or an animal, including the bones, flesh, and organs. By definition is the whole of a living being with interdependent parts. A living being by definition is alive.
Are you aware of any physical bodies/organisms that aren't made of matter?
Quote:Also, how can abiogenesis work? Life coming from non-life? It sounds similar to matter coming from non-matter (nothing).
No. That's a ridiculous notion to compare those statements analogously. "Ex nihilo nihil fit", Nothing comes from nothing.
It is possible within nature, in reality, for organic and inorganic compounds to arise. It is possible that the blocking blocks of life can emerge without intervention, and these single-celled organisms can evolve into something possessing self-awareness, otherwise we could not be here now communicating and comprehending our own existence.
Quote:Ps, by life coming from non-life, I DON'T mean organic molecules. Im sure you can make that in a lab. But make some that can talk to others, form a government, and create morals. Only then will I have the proof needed to have faith in abiogenesis. Otherwise it's just blind faith.
Faith IS blind. None of us have faith in abiogenesis. I for one don't want or need faith for anything. Why do you need to have faith aka gullibility in something?
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...for what? Are we doing your final coursework for you or something? Visit your local library and apply yourself so you won't need to thank anyone else.
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 20, 2011 at 7:52 am
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Ps, by life coming from non-life, I DON'T mean organic molecules. Im sure you can make that in a lab. But make some that can talk to others, form a government, and create morals. Only then will I have the proof needed to have faith in abiogenesis. Otherwise it's just blind faith.
Follow the paper trail from organic molecules to organic , complex life forms over an insanely long time (I often feel that some people fail to recognise just how long a time 4 and a half billion years is) and you won't need blind faith any more.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm
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RE: Atoms = Emotions
November 22, 2011 at 4:29 pm
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(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: How is it that the organ known as the "brain," made up of cells which are made up of atoms (carbon, oxygen, etc) can get emotions, feelings and thoughts from an electrical impulse (energy) and make communicate with the other matter in a way that the atoms of the brain can react?
I see you've made 3 posts, so I will do you the courtesy of assuming you'll revisit this thread someday.
How could it not be? Can you give an example of emotions, feelings, and thoughts that don't involve cells, atoms, and electrical impulses? If you're really interested in the 'how', study chemistry, biology, and neurology. Get a layman's understanding, at least.
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Basically, how can bodies which are only matter have life?
Life is a property of bodies. Do you think life is some kind of magic force? If so, are you aware that an entire synthetic bacterial genome has been made from scratch, placed in a denucleated cell, and it lived and reproduced just fine? Living is a process that occurs when matter and energy are in specific configurations, under specific conditions. You are asking us to explain something that you don't have any evidence of in the first place.
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Also, how can abiogenesis work? Life coming from non-life? It sounds similar to matter coming from non-matter (nothing).
That is a result of you thinking being alive involves magic...for which there is no evidence. As for details, Wikipedia has an article on abiogenesis.
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Ps, by life coming from non-life, I DON'T mean organic molecules. Im sure you can make that in a lab. But make some that can talk to others, form a government, and create morals.
Life is made of organic molecules. We are very close to being able to make an entire living synthetic cell. I expect it will take less time to get from being able to create a single cell to being able to create a collection of cells that can talk and form a government and worry about morals than the time between beginning abiogenesis research and achieving that single cell. After all, to get a human being, all we have to be able to synthesize is a single fertilized egg with replicated human DNA. That's because there's no magic involved.
(November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm)ChristianT Wrote: Only then will I have the proof needed to have faith in abiogenesis. Otherwise it's just blind faith.
Thank you!
You seem to have a peculiar definition of 'blind faith'. To you it seems to mean 'assigning a high probability to the hypothesis with the most physical evidence in its favor'. Abiogenesis doesn't require faith. It's just the best explanation for the origin of life that fits in with what we already know, not least of which being that life as we know it couldn't have survived on earth much before it was half a billion years old. So at one point there was no life and at a later point there was. That's pretty much what 'abiogenesis' means. It's not like we go to the lab on Wednesdays and chant 'abiogenesis is the one true hypothesis'.
Think on this: in Genesis, God supposedly made Adam from dust and cloned Eve from his rib. He brought forth beasts and plants and so forth from the seas and land. All that is bringing life from non-life. Now, what if the dust Adam was made from was a metaphor for the single-celled organisms we are all descended from?
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November 23, 2011 at 5:50 am
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