A knockdown prophecy

[Deesse23]

You showed nothing. You straw manned me and now are going nuh uhh!
My potential explanation is: Someone else, 1k years earlier, a chinese man counted 360 joints as well.
If you want to prove its been a prophecy 1ky after this, then you must rule out the chinese dude being correct, by counting joints of a corpse.

The number 360 you find in ancient texts of eastern religions can simply denote a recurring pattern in some ritual,

First of all, just made up shit, again. Lü Bu Wei explicitly claims that "the human body has 360 joints" . Nothing about rituals, magic numbers or whatever shit you would like to make up for Allah. Which part of "you need to DISPROVE" early findings (1ky pre Islam) of 360 joints did you not understand anyway? Going "nuh uhh, i dont think so", is not nearly sufficient, its not even in the ballpark of any kind of sufficient.

And no, I don't have to rule out anybody being correct about this number.

Yes, you do, that is if you understand the burden of proof.
I have explained it to you numerous times, so here we go again: YOU claim a prophecy. Thus YOU disprove each and every potential alternative explanation, like Lü Bu Wei gathering said knowledge 1ky prior to Islam and thus Islam being able to have knowledge of his finding.

You still think that simply seeing 360 written in some pre Islam text is enough to rule out a prophecy.

YOU are the one who sees 360 written in some islamic text and thinks its enough to claim prophecy.
I think seeing Lü Bu Wei claiming that the human body has 360 joints 1ky prior to Islam is sufficient reason to think that Islam knew of his findings, thus: Prophecy my ass.
You on the other hand think a fact, claimed in the 7th century, is a prophecy, while said facts could have been established by anyone, anywhere, who had
#1 a corpse
#2 something sharp
#3 the ability to count to 360
and apply #2 on #1 while using #3
Aka: Anyone from the stone or bronze age at least.

I can show you ancient scripture that accidentally agrees with modern physics or molecular biology,

You are already doing that by constantly massaging your holy book to say what you want, and what science already has found out.

this doesn't mean that whoever wrote it really did derive modern theories and verified them experimentally. Similary some random guy writing in a parchment : "360 joints" doesn't mean he did the humble work of counting.

Are we going "nuhh uhh" again?
or are you talking about your Hadith?  

So the essential difference between eastern religious texts and Islamic scripture is that the latter is systematically correct in its statements.

"Systematically correct"as in claiming to have divine knowledge?  

 

Were you looking for other explanations of why a 7th century Arab counts 360 joints?

Sure, a social reformer and a founder of a world religion really decided to go dissect a body and count joints. I must tell you, Deesse, that's one hell of a stretch.

Social reformer and founder of world religion, therefore no dissection of bodies, or no knowledge of dissection?  

Stretch: Maybe to you, because your religious programming prohibits your mind from entertaining even the most simple thoughts, as long as your faith could potentially be threatened.

Were you considering that he knew of greek or chinese people dissecting bodies and counting joints and potentially coming to the same conclusion as the Arab a thousand years later? 
Yes or no?

Yes, ofc, except he had no way to tell whether the chinese guys got the number right or not,

...and he didnt need to. All he needed is to believe it was right. You, of all people, who have no idea of how to properly evaluate your beliefs for truth content, should know how easy it is to fall for BS.


 

You claimed it was a prophecy. You have to rule out pre islam medicine being correct, not by chance, but by counting joints a thousand years prior.
GO
good luck

Again, I don't have to rule out anything or anybody being correct.

I said it so often, i repeat it again: If you understand the burden of proof, you do. Do you understand the burden of proof?

[The Valkyrie]

You know what ISIS does to people. The religion demands respect, they're not playing around.

They can ‘demand’ whatever they like. I’m not going to stop mocking silly superstitions on the off chance that an ISIS operative is going to travel 10 000 miles to teach me a lesson.

Boru

Let's test that, shall we?

If any utter piece of ISIS scum or sympathiser is reading this and wants to cut my head off for insulting Mo, Al, or another of the important stooges of Islam, come fucking get me.

I'll meet you in Stokes Valley, outside Wellington in NZ, at the Caltex.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You know what ISIS does to people. The religion demands respect, they're not playing around.

And our response to that demand 

[The Architect Of Fate]

The number 360 you find in ancient texts of eastern religions can simply denote a recurring pattern in some ritual,

First of all, just made up shit, again. Lü Bu Wei explicitly claims that "the human body has 360 joints" . Nothing about rituals, magic numbers or whatever shit you would like to make up for Allah. Which part of "you need to DISPROVE" early findings (1ky pre Islam) of 360 joints did you not understand anyway? Going "nuh uhh, i dont think so", is not nearly sufficient, its not even in the ballpark of any kind of sufficient.

And no, I don't have to rule out anybody being correct about this number.

Yes, you do, that is if you understand the burden of proof.
I have explained it to you numerous times, so here we go again: YOU claim a prophecy. Thus YOU disprove each and every potential alternative explanation, like Lü Bu Wei gathering said knowledge 1ky prior to Islam and thus Islam being able to have knowledge of his finding.

You still think that simply seeing 360 written in some pre Islam text is enough to rule out a prophecy.

YOU are the one who sees 360 written in some islamic text and thinks its enough to claim prophecy.
I think seeing Lü Bu Wei claiming that the human body has 360 joints 1ky prior to Islam is sufficient reason to think that Islam knew of his findings, thus: Prophecy my ass.
You on the other hand think a fact, claimed in the 7th century, is a prophecy, while said facts could have been established by anyone, anywhere, who had
#1 a corpse
#2 something sharp
#3 the ability to count to 360
and apply #2 on #1 while using #3
Aka: Anyone from the stone or bronze age at least.

I can show you ancient scripture that accidentally agrees with modern physics or molecular biology,

You are already doing that by constantly massaging your holy book to say what you want, and what science already has found out.

this doesn't mean that whoever wrote it really did derive modern theories and verified them experimentally. Similary some random guy writing in a parchment : "360 joints" doesn't mean he did the humble work of counting.

Are we going "nuhh uhh" again?
or are you talking about your Hadith?  

So the essential difference between eastern religious texts and Islamic scripture is that the latter is systematically correct in its statements.

"Systematically correct"as in claiming to have divine knowledge?  

 

Sure, a social reformer and a founder of a world religion really decided to go dissect a body and count joints. I must tell you, Deesse, that's one hell of a stretch.

Social reformer and founder of world religion, therefore no dissection of bodies, or no knowledge of dissection?  

Stretch: Maybe to you, because your religious programming prohibits your mind from entertaining even the most simple thoughts, as long as your faith could potentially be threatened.

Yes, ofc, except he had no way to tell whether the chinese guys got the number right or not,

...and he didnt need to. All he needed is to believe it was right. You, of all people, who have no idea of how to properly evaluate your beliefs for truth content, should know how easy it is to fall for BS.


 

Again, I don't have to rule out anything or anybody being correct.

I said it so often, i repeat it again: If you understand the burden of proof, you do. Do you understand the burden of proof?

Zod Root is dense 

[The Architect Of Fate]

The number 360 you find in ancient texts of eastern religions can simply denote a recurring pattern in some ritual,

First of all, just made up shit, again. Lü Bu Wei explicitly claims that "the human body has 360 joints" . Nothing about rituals, magic numbers or whatever shit you would like to make up for Allah. Which part of "you need to DISPROVE" early findings (1ky pre Islam) of 360 joints did you not understand anyway? Going "nuh uhh, i dont think so", is not nearly sufficient, its not even in the ballpark of any kind of sufficient.

And no, I don't have to rule out anybody being correct about this number.

Yes, you do, that is if you understand the burden of proof.
I have explained it to you numerous times, so here we go again: YOU claim a prophecy. Thus YOU disprove each and every potential alternative explanation, like Lü Bu Wei gathering said knowledge 1ky prior to Islam and thus Islam being able to have knowledge of his finding.

You still think that simply seeing 360 written in some pre Islam text is enough to rule out a prophecy.

YOU are the one who sees 360 written in some islamic text and thinks its enough to claim prophecy.
I think seeing Lü Bu Wei claiming that the human body has 360 joints 1ky prior to Islam is sufficient reason to think that Islam knew of his findings, thus: Prophecy my ass.
You on the other hand think a fact, claimed in the 7th century, is a prophecy, while said facts could have been established by anyone, anywhere, who had
#1 a corpse
#2 something sharp
#3 the ability to count to 360
and apply #2 on #1 while using #3
Aka: Anyone from the stone or bronze age at least.

I can show you ancient scripture that accidentally agrees with modern physics or molecular biology,

You are already doing that by constantly massaging your holy book to say what you want, and what science already has found out.

this doesn't mean that whoever wrote it really did derive modern theories and verified them experimentally. Similary some random guy writing in a parchment : "360 joints" doesn't mean he did the humble work of counting.

Are we going "nuhh uhh" again?
or are you talking about your Hadith?  

So the essential difference between eastern religious texts and Islamic scripture is that the latter is systematically correct in its statements.

"Systematically correct"as in claiming to have divine knowledge?  

 

Sure, a social reformer and a founder of a world religion really decided to go dissect a body and count joints. I must tell you, Deesse, that's one hell of a stretch.

Social reformer and founder of world religion, therefore no dissection of bodies, or no knowledge of dissection?  

Stretch: Maybe to you, because your religious programming prohibits your mind from entertaining even the most simple thoughts, as long as your faith could potentially be threatened.

Yes, ofc, except he had no way to tell whether the chinese guys got the number right or not,

...and he didnt need to. All he needed is to believe it was right. You, of all people, who have no idea of how to properly evaluate your beliefs for truth content, should know how easy it is to fall for BS.


 

Again, I don't have to rule out anything or anybody being correct.

I said it so often, i repeat it again: If you understand the burden of proof, you do. Do you understand the burden of proof?

Remember your dealing with someone who thinks a Tech Company disassembling and then reassembling a laptop for cameras is a good parody of skepticism despite it literally no sense at all as to why they would do this or any evidence of them doing this in an attempt at some grand deception. As opposed to a video of Laptops being assembled which supports the minimalist claim laptops are created by men. This person is ridiculous 

[Jehanne]

It's like asking if Paris France exists. I've never been there, but, countless others have. The city is mentioned all throughout various history books, and I have seen dozens of video clips about it. (Plus, I saw the Rugrats movie.) In addition, there are dozens (if not hundreds) of webcams at my fingertips that I could view right now.

One might as well embrace Last Thurdayism, at least until Wednesday evening.

[LinuxGal]

Many non-believers complain about prophecies in religious scripture being vague/imprecise/unfalsifiable. There is a lot to say about what constitutes a prophecy and what doesn't, and it's difficult to reach any kind of agreement. Islamic scripture has a clear advantage, however, as there are many hadiths that directly state facts and details that could've very, very easily turned out to be wrong.

[arewethereyet]

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