Here we go ...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Thank you for lecturing me on what history is - if it weren’t for you, I never would have known (despite having a degree in history).

None of the rest of your post answers my question.

Boru

Then technically, with your degree, you should know that "statements" are not considered anything ... details are what we need.

And what historical details would prove or disprove the existence of God? You’re going about this arsy-versy.

Boru

[Justin Case]

I did earlier ... Ahkenaton ... time C 1350 BC.

I'll be back - lunch time

Atenism wasn't monotheism, didn't survive the assassination of it's leader, and has no relationship or contact whatsoever to judaism, let alone the countless other monotheistic belief systems that have arisen throughout history and across the globe.

It is called monotheism, proto-monotheism might be a better term. And yes, it didn't last. As I said earlier, the people weren't happy about the change from polytheism at all.

As far as Judaism goes, the effect was more via the Zoroastrians monotheistic approach. Dating for the changes from poly to monotheism are given as the 9th to 6th centuries BC. The exile had much to do with changes too as they were living with the Zoroastrian people then, and their end times story was based on the Zoroastrian story ... the Saoshyant became the Messiah.

Dating in this, as said, is hard regarding the Zoroastrians as all the early texts are gone. The basic idea is monotheism has a history of development that we are part of today. Since the Hebrew tradition is all that's ever focused on because that's what we were told to believe, everything else is ignored. Monotheism NEVER existed in ANY religion prior to all this ... and even Zarathustra had an "experience" to get his version of the story rolling.

[Justin Case]

I want to know who that one guy was/is too.  And did he/she hang out in that apartment for seven years.

If you're talking about the apartment "ghosts" knocking on the blackboard, she was a tenant I was out back with talking to, and we came back in together.

[Justin Case]

Then technically, with your degree, you should know that "statements" are not considered anything ... details are what we need.

And what historical details would prove or disprove the existence of God? You’re going about this arsy-versy.

Boru

One would tend to think that if you had a "degree" ... you'd know ... or at least know how to find the data based on what has been said.

[arewethereyet]

The riddles are now tiresome. Speak. We need the end of this fascinating story.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And what historical details would prove or disprove the existence of God? You’re going about this arsy-versy.

Boru

One would tend to think that if you had a "degree" ... you'd know ... or at least know how to find the data based on what has been said.

Again with the deflection. Any hard data that can be uncovered isn’t going to establish the existence or non-existence of an Abrahamic god (or any sufficiently subtle god). Such data can tell you what people said and believed about their respective gods, not whether those gods exist.

I ask again: what historic details would establish the existence of a god.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Atenism wasn't monotheism, didn't survive the assassination of it's leader, and has no relationship or contact whatsoever to judaism, let alone the countless other monotheistic belief systems that have arisen throughout history and across the globe.

It is called monotheism, proto-monotheism might be a better term. And yes, it didn't last. As I said earlier, the people weren't happy about the change from polytheism at all.

As far as Judaism goes, the effect was more via the Zoroastrians monotheistic approach. Dating for the changes from poly to monotheism are given as the 9th to 6th centuries BC. The exile had much to do with changes too as they were living with the Zoroastrian people then, and their end times story was based on the Zoroastrian story ... the Saoshyant became the Messiah.

Dating in this, as said, is hard regarding the Zoroastrians as all the early texts are gone. The basic idea is monotheism has a history of development that we are part of today. Since the Hebrew tradition is all that's ever focused on because that's what we were told to believe, everything else is ignored. Monotheism NEVER existed in ANY religion prior to all this ... and even Zarathustra had an "experience" to get his version of the story rolling.

So much for akenaten being that one man.  Would you like to offer another candidate or is this done?

As for dating, juduaism as we know it doesn't appear to be any older than 150bc. Sure, though, monotheism is a relatively recent idea in the history of religious development, and it looks to be fundamentally related to politics. The transition from henotheism to monotheism is nothing if not a political statement. Our native impression, if we can call it that, is a plurality of divine beings just as there is a plurality of the actual beings upon whom they're modeled.

[Justin Case]

The riddles are now tiresome.  Speak.  We need the end of this fascinating story.

1) Monotheism never existed in religious history until Akhenaton started it in the mid-1300s BC and said the sun was "GOD."
2) From here (and, as said, dating is all screwed up here because of the loss of original texts) the Zoroastrian religion seems to be the next step in development of this belief.
3) Regarding the Semites, and there are arguments regarding this dating too ... they were the next developmental part of the picture, and this information has traveled all the way to today.

[arewethereyet]

And your point, if you have one?

[Justin Case]

It is called monotheism, proto-monotheism might be a better term. And yes, it didn't last. As I said earlier, the people weren't happy about the change from polytheism at all.

As far as Judaism goes, the effect was more via the Zoroastrians monotheistic approach. Dating for the changes from poly to monotheism are given as the 9th to 6th centuries BC. The exile had much to do with changes too as they were living with the Zoroastrian people then, and their end times story was based on the Zoroastrian story ... the Saoshyant became the Messiah.

Dating in this, as said, is hard regarding the Zoroastrians as all the early texts are gone. The basic idea is monotheism has a history of development that we are part of today. Since the Hebrew tradition is all that's ever focused on because that's what we were told to believe, everything else is ignored. Monotheism NEVER existed in ANY religion prior to all this ... and even Zarathustra had an "experience" to get his version of the story rolling.

So much for akenaten being that one man.  Would you like to offer another candidate or is this done?

You can argue with the scholars ... it was the first version of monotheism - it replaced the polytheism in Egypt - yes. it pissed the people off but there was nothing they could do until he was dead. A bigger connection is tied to the Zoroastrians and Zarathustra's "experience" that started this much deeper picture.

There's no way around it ... the Hebrew GOD was a copy of a copy.