Here we go ...

[Justin Case]

According to studies done, he did exist. The info in the NT, whether people want to get into this or not, boils down to the fact he was supposed to return back in their day somewhere ... but it never happened. People have been reading a 1900+ year text of people talking to people 1900+ years ago, as if it's talking to them today. I don't particularly care if we skip it ... it's up to people here. Someone brought up talking about the paranormal and we can do that too. Or, just dump the whole thing ... it doesn't matter to me.

(Bold mine)

That would be you.

And the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is very much an open question.

Boru

No, there was a post that brought it up.


My only interest in the subject had to do with untangling the mental mess that's been in people's faces since it all started. When I reached final conclusions I tripped over the work of Dr Bart Ehrman - his approach was to rip the entire subject apart - but as far as what I was looking for, Dr Ehrman came to the same conclusions I did.

"Jesus thought that the history of the world would come to a screeching
halt, that God would intervene in the affairs of this planet, overthrow the
forces of evil in a cosmic act of judgment and establish his utopian
Kingdom on Earth," explains Ehrman. "And this was to happen within
Jesus' own generation."
Jesus apocalyptic prophet. Dr. Bart Ehrman

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

(Bold mine)

That would be you.

And the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is very much an open question.

Boru

No, there was a post that brought it up.


My only interest in the subject had to do with untangling the mental mess that's been in people's faces since it all started. When I reached final conclusions I tripped over the work of Dr Bart Ehrman - his approach was to rip the entire subject apart - but as far as what I was looking for, Dr Ehrman came to the same conclusions I did.

"Jesus thought that the history of the world would come to a screeching
halt, that God would intervene in the affairs of this planet, overthrow the
forces of evil in a cosmic act of judgment and establish his utopian
Kingdom on Earth," explains Ehrman. "And this was to happen within
Jesus' own generation."
Jesus apocalyptic prophet. Dr. Bart Ehrman

You were the person who first used the word ‘paranormal’ in this thread. It’s on you, mate.

Neither you nor Dr. Ehrman came to any such conclusion - Jesus flatly stated as much in Matthew 16:28. It’s like reading Moby Dick and reaching the ‘conclusion’ that the whale was white.

Boru

[Justin Case]

You were the person who first used the word ‘paranormal’ in this thread. It’s on you, mate.

Neither you nor Dr. Ehrman came to any such conclusion - Jesus flatly stated as much in Matthew 16:28. It’s like reading Moby Dick and reaching the ‘conclusion’ that the whale was white.

Boru

Do you look at ANYTHING?

Nay_SayerI
was hoping for more ghost stories.
I have a good one if the op doesn't deliver



That quote was from his book ... period.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You were the person who first used the word ‘paranormal’ in this thread. It’s on you, mate.

Neither you nor Dr. Ehrman came to any such conclusion - Jesus flatly stated as much in Matthew 16:28. It’s like reading Moby Dick and reaching the ‘conclusion’ that the whale was white.

Boru

Do you look at ANYTHING?

Nay_SayerI
was hoping for more ghost stories.
I have a good one if the op doesn't deliver



That quote was from his book ... period.

I look at as much as necessary. You introduced the word ‘paranormal’ on page 2 of this thread. Nay_Sayer didn’t make the above comment until page 9.

I’m not disputing the quote, I’m objecting to your contention that you and the good doctor somehow reached a ‘conclusion’. That the Jesus character expected to return within the lifetimes of some of those in his audience is a brute fact, not ‘a judgement or decision reached by reasoning’. There is nothing to reason out.

Boru

[brewer]

It's more like the jesus that's in the bible never was.

The bible jesus is not worth discussing.

According to studies done, he did exist. The info in the NT, whether people want to get into this or not, boils down to the fact he was supposed to return back in their day somewhere ... but it never happened. People have been reading a 1900+ year text of people talking to people 1900+ years ago, as if it's talking to them today. I don't particularly care if we skip it ... it's up to people here. Someone brought up talking about the paranormal and we can do that too. Or, just dump the whole thing ... it doesn't matter to me.

As I said, the bible jesus did not exist. Maybe someone named jesus did, but not the son of god. Quite frankly because god did not exist either.

[Justin Case]

According to studies done, he did exist. The info in the NT, whether people want to get into this or not, boils down to the fact he was supposed to return back in their day somewhere ... but it never happened. People have been reading a 1900+ year text of people talking to people 1900+ years ago, as if it's talking to them today. I don't particularly care if we skip it ... it's up to people here. Someone brought up talking about the paranormal and we can do that too. Or, just dump the whole thing ... it doesn't matter to me.

As I said, the bible jesus did not exist. Maybe someone named jesus did, but not the son of god. Quite frankly because god did not exist either.

Dr Ehrman wrote a book called Did Jesus Exist. If you're interested, there's a PDF version out there too. Jesus did exist, but he was not the son of God.

I really was more concerned about straightening the problems out for people who refuse to see this as anything but real. I've run into people who think things going on today are talked about in the book of Revelation ... and I ask them all the same question: Did you ever read THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST VERSE OF REVELATION?

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."  "SOON" is not 1900+ years.

[brewer]

As I said, the bible jesus did not exist. Maybe someone named jesus did, but not the son of god. Quite frankly because god did not exist either.

Dr Ehrman wrote a book called Did Jesus Exist. If you're interested, there's a PDF version out there too. Jesus did exist, but he was not the son of God.

I really was more concerned about straightening the problems out for people who refuse to see this as anything but real. I've run into people who think things going on today are talked about in the book of Revelation ... and I ask them all the same question: Did you ever read THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST VERSE OF REVELATION?

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."  "SOON" is not 1900+ years.

If this is your position, shouldn't you take this discussion to a christian forum educate them?

[Silver]

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."  "SOON" is not 1900+ years.

But theists argue that time moves differently for a deity than it does for us. Therefore, a couple thousand years is nothing, could very well be perceived as soon, to an immortal.

[Justin Case]

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."  "SOON" is not 1900+ years.

But theists argue that time moves differently for a deity than it does for us. Therefore, a couple thousand years is nothing, could very well be perceived as soon, to an immortal.

Yes, they argue - but they don't read what's written. There's a collection of verses that all say the same thing, and it's summed up in this one:

For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay. (Heb.10:37).


A very little while is not 1900+ years. Like Dr Ehrman said: "And this was to happen within Jesus' own generation."

People see what they want to see ... not what's really there.

[Justin Case]

Dr Ehrman wrote a book called Did Jesus Exist. If you're interested, there's a PDF version out there too. Jesus did exist, but he was not the son of God.

I really was more concerned about straightening the problems out for people who refuse to see this as anything but real. I've run into people who think things going on today are talked about in the book of Revelation ... and I ask them all the same question: Did you ever read THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST VERSE OF REVELATION?

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."  "SOON" is not 1900+ years.

If this is your position, shouldn't you take this discussion to a christian forum educate them?

They are the worst people to talk to ... the answers from them are like dealing with people with psychological problems.