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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 1, 2023 at 8:51 am
(March 31, 2023 at 6:27 pm)emjay Wrote: (March 31, 2023 at 5:18 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: You seem a decent sort and I certainly don't see anything you said as being out of line.
Figuring out what makes Flat tick is part of letting him continue to rail about things like this and the danger of sesame seeds and I have erased most of the other topics from my mind.
Carry on - no harm, no foul.
Thanks, that's nice of you to say
The main thing is though, I didn't want to put him on the spot. So for instance I know a lot of people with Aspergers that are perfectly happy to talk about it, so I guess I was just kind of putting out the feelers to see if that or similar was the case here too, but since it doesn't seem to be the case, the last thing I want to do going forward is speculate about someone's mental state... that's not my place. Just as I wouldn't feel comfortable with others trying to psychoanalyse me without me being a willing participant in the conversation.
People do armchair psychologising on Internet forums all the time. If I didn't want to hear a lot of psychologizing, I wouldn't be here.
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 1, 2023 at 9:22 am
(April 1, 2023 at 8:51 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (March 31, 2023 at 6:27 pm)emjay Wrote: Thanks, that's nice of you to say
The main thing is though, I didn't want to put him on the spot. So for instance I know a lot of people with Aspergers that are perfectly happy to talk about it, so I guess I was just kind of putting out the feelers to see if that or similar was the case here too, but since it doesn't seem to be the case, the last thing I want to do going forward is speculate about someone's mental state... that's not my place. Just as I wouldn't feel comfortable with others trying to psychoanalyse me without me being a willing participant in the conversation.
People do armchair psychologising on Internet forums all the time. If I didn't want to hear a lot of psychologizing, I wouldn't be here.
Cool, that's good to know; I'm glad I didn't make you feel uncomfortable.
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 7, 2023 at 12:06 pm
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(April 1, 2023 at 9:22 am)emjay Wrote: (April 1, 2023 at 8:51 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: People do armchair psychologising on Internet forums all the time. If I didn't want to hear a lot of psychologizing, I wouldn't be here.
Cool, that's good to know; I'm glad I didn't make you feel uncomfortable.
What does make me feel uncomfortable are people suggesting that I am being a liar. For example, a user called Nyittiuny from forum.hr said that he thinks that my latest paper about the names of places in Croatia is a hoax intended to trick people who are educated in informatics but don't know historical linguistics. Suggesting that somebody is being downright dishonest is very unlikely to be productive. Maybe suggesting that somebody is being dishonest with themselves is likely to be productive, but saying somebody is being a liar is not.
Informatics is arguably a significantly harder science than historical linguistics is. So, if the consensus among informaticians is that my arguments are compelling, and the consensus among historical linguists is that my arguments are not compelling, then informatics trumps historical linguistics. Even if my arguments are contradicting something from historical linguistics that's based on evidence. But I don't think I am even doing that, I don't think I am contradicting something from historical linguistics that's based on evidence. I think it's more groupthink than evidence. The argument for the mainstream interpretation of the river name Karašica, as presented in the Melich Janos'es paper (which I am citing in my paper), goes something like this: " The medieval names of the Karašica (the tributary to the Danube, not the bigger one that's tributary to Drava) are Feketeviz, Mogyoros and Karassou. Since Feketeviz means 'black water', 'Karassou' then probably means the same. Since 'Karassou' sounds vaguely similar to Turkic 'kara sub' (black water), it probably comes from that.". That's not a good argument. And even if it were, good arguments from informatics trump good arguments from historical linguistics.
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 8, 2023 at 4:09 pm
Have you asked ChatGPT about this problemo? Like why is river Kurasica called like that?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 9, 2023 at 5:12 am
(April 8, 2023 at 4:09 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Have you asked ChatGPT about this problemo? Like why is river Kurasica called like that?
No, I have never used ChatGPT yet. And how could ChatGPT possibly know that?
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 18, 2023 at 4:40 pm
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I've asked a new question slightly related to my paper on a linguistics forum: https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/q/46473/20821
Does a deep orthography (such as English or French) decrease the collision entropy of a written language? An obvious answer seems to be no, because spelling represents how a word was pronounced centuries ago, and it seems absurd to suggest that the collision entropy of a language always increases. But a glance at the data from my paper seems to suggest that's the case. I don't know if anybody has done an actual study on that.
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 26, 2023 at 2:11 pm
I have decided to try to explicitly promote the theories stated in my paper on Linguistics StackExchange. Right now, I have more upvotes than downvotes: https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/q/46552/20821
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 26, 2023 at 3:37 pm
I’m trying to decide which is more insipidly dull: this thread, or the one about the Roush-Horowitz Sterility Crouton.
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
April 26, 2023 at 4:01 pm
Needs more sesame seeds!
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RE: Names of places in Croatia
July 21, 2023 at 8:10 am
(July 16, 2022 at 3:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The place names of croatian toponyms simply don't mean what you think they do. Linguists have told you this. Combatants have told you this. If I had to guess, random motherfuckers in your life have told you this.
Except that people who disagree with me are obviously making ad-hoc hypotheses and talking contradictory things.
My informatics professor Franjo Jović told me, essentially: " I mostly agree with you, however, I don't think it's plausible that up to 1.572 bits per consonant pair of collision entropy goes to morphology ('fleksija'). I think relatively little collision entropy goes to morphology. Thus, I think the p-value of that k-r pattern in Croatian river names is a lot closer to 1/17 than to 1/300.".
The Reddit user neuralbeans told me: " Maybe the collision entropy of the nouns in the Croatian language is a lot lower than the collision entropy of all the words in the Aspell word-list for the Croatian language. Have you checked that? Toponyms are nouns, and you should be comparing them to other nouns, and not to all the words in the Aspell word-list.".
Those are contradictory things. If my paper were seriously flawed, maybe people who disagree with me would point different things that are wrong with it. But they would not be talking contradictory things. Since they are talking contradictory things, I know my paper is not actually flawed, but that people are making up ad-hoc hypotheses.
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