Any Nihilists here?

[FrustratedFool]

@Brian
Why do you think that?

Why do you ask? Isn’t the question meaningless?

Boru

I dont think so, no.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or, at least, a purported objective purpose, is a soul forge. The good thing about objective statements, is that they can be true or false. The soul forge being in the second set.

[FrustratedFool]

Life is vain.  It has no objective purpose or meaning or value.
Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

But if you hold to certain positions then you are a nihilist, or Christian, or whatever, regardless of disposition or mood.

Actually it does. Life's objective purpose is to serve as an education module for human beings. Humans should be tested in all possible ways, until they give up trying to be better than God. When people have learned that they will never be greater than God, they will then be free to do as they like.

Well, obviously I disagree. But it seems clear now why you're not a nihilist.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why do you ask? Isn’t the question meaningless?

Boru

I dont think so, no.

that - right there, is all I mean by the negotiation with reality that I keep talking about.  Where a person -needs- to specify that they are only a nihilist about some things, and that they accept some things even if those things are premised identically to things they reject as a part of nihilism as they know it, or as they practice it.

Broadly, this is what happened to nihilism (and absurdism, and existentialism).  That's why it's hard to find good contemporary work on it.  It turned into pragmatism.

[FrustratedFool]

I guess the issue is that I never saw nihilism as requiring one be nihilistic on everything.

As far as I could tell from my limited reading nihilism is just a family of viewpoints that hold to certain positions, and that if you hold to a set of those positions you are a nihilist.

As far as I can tell, the set of nihilistic positions I hold are consistent and coherent, and make me a nihilist.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, I wouldn't personally demand that a person be nihilistic about everything - though I do think it's important that if a person says they're nihilistic about x, they include all of the things that share in the rejected notion x. My comment about moral realism, if false, from before.

[FrustratedFool]

I agree.

I don't think anything I'm nihilistic about anything that leads to a contradiction with something else I believe.

[Ahriman]

Absurdism is the philosophy of, "I'm not having it, someone else can have it but I'm not having it" which actually makes no sense because why the fuck would you let someone else have something you could've had yourself, especially if you worked harder for it than the other person. And further than that, it's actually extremely disrespectful towards the human race, in that it removes the human element of deservedness from the equation and instead bestows gifts (that should have been given to humans) to other life forms, so that they can enjoy the fruits of human labor. It's masochistic to an absolutely horrific degree.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, for starters, it's unclear how we can deny a moral fact without at least calling into question any other mechanically similar fact or fact-alike utterance. It's likely, from my experience, that whatever justification we give for the acceptance of one class of facts will be the basis for my next purported moral fact. From the other end, it's quite a spectacle. I can sum the whole bit up in two lines.

Man, it's not like that!
-Man it's just like that.

[FrustratedFool]

Absurdism is the philosophy of, "I'm not having it, someone else can have it but I'm not having it" which actually makes no sense because why the fuck would you let someone else have something you could've had yourself, especially if you worked harder for it than the other person. And further than that, it's actually extremely disrespectful towards the human race, in that it removes the human element of deservedness from the equation and instead bestows gifts (that should have been given to humans) to other life forms, so that they can enjoy the fruits of human labor. It's masochistic to an absolute horrific degree.

I dont see absurdism like that. But I'm not all that conversant with it.