I will prove to you that God exists

[The Valkyrie]

By that ‘logic’ a municipal sewer is supernatural because it’s an extreme example of a pit toilet.

You’re an idiot.

Boru

And just think yesterday you didn't know how to spell idiot and now you're using it in a sentence. Bravo.

Be fucking careful what buttons you push, junior.

Some staff are FAR more tolerant than I am.

[Sheldon]

And just think yesterday you didn't know how to spell idiot and now you're using it in a sentence. Bravo.

Be fucking careful what buttons you push, junior.

Some staff are FAR more tolerant than I am.

I'm not sure spelling, or grammar, are glass panes that Bullwinkle should be pitching rocks at either. Whilst it's acceptable to start a sentence with the word and, it seems to be entirely redundant in that sentence, along with the two missing commas, I think we may be dealing with a master of irony.

[Sheldon]

And just think yesterday you didn't know how to spell idiot and now you're using it in a sentence. Bravo.

Just a few days ago you weren't a cowardly, lying, hypocritical troll.  The wonders of time.

Thoughts and prayers. RAmen

Just a few days ago you say, hmm...

[Sheldon]

In this video Rees details that while his speculations about the constants preceded the theorems of inflation, it wasn't the work on the constants but rather the ideas and theorems concerning inflation that led to the supposition that there might be multiple universes, and that these universes might have different constants and laws.  He makes the point that inflation and string theory both play a role in the suggestion of a multiverse.  It was not his work on fine-tuning that led to it.  He says as much in the book that Drew cites, Just Six Numbers, which I will quote as well.

"[B]ack in the 1970s we speculated about this [fine tuning] and I wrote a paper with Bernard Carr ... I don't think at that stage we had any partcular view as to whether these counterfactual universes might be a consequence of a real physical theory but the development of the idea of inflation and the realization that our universe might go far beyond the observational horizon did lead one to speculate that may actually be places ... the inflationary idea was developed in 1980s and that led to the possibilities that there could be domains and at the same time the realization came about that perhaps different big bangs might as it were cool down differently, it was the idea that the laws of low energy physics in the world we inhabit may be the outcome of so-called phase transitions as a universe cools down and these may have happened differently in different universes and this leads to the idea that what we call universal laws might be as it were environmental accidents in our cosmic patch and not the deepest level of universal laws.  So I think the idea that there might be other big bangs became discussed widely after the development of inflation, and there have since then been other ideas involving other space times."





"This ‘multiverse’ concept, though speculative, is a natural extension of current cosmological theories, which gain credence because they account for things that we do observe. The physical laws and geometry could be different in other universes, and this offers a new perspective on the seemingly special values that the six numbers take in ours."

Martin Rees.  Just Six Numbers.

In the book you refer to he fields the hypothetical that universe had to be as it is. He rebuts the hypothesis because it begs the question why if a universe has to be in a certain configuration, why is it the narrow configuration that causes planets, star, galaxies, molecules and ultimately life to exist. It doesn't solve the problem only pushes it back. That's why he continues to believe in multiverse theory.

Whilst I wouldn't trust your word now, to sell me a used napkin, please give the time in that video where he claims his hypothesis requires an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable and unevidenced magical superpowers? 

Take your time, I can wait.   Oh, no need to bother, it took less than ten seconds to find out that he's an atheist. 

I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest he is better placed, than you are, to understand whether his work evidences your sky wizard. 

[The Architect Of Fate]

In the book you refer to he fields the hypothetical that universe had to be as it is. He rebuts the hypothesis because it begs the question why if a universe has to be in a certain configuration, why is it the narrow configuration that causes planets, star, galaxies, molecules and ultimately life to exist. It doesn't solve the problem only pushes it back. That's why he continues to believe in multiverse theory.

Whilst I wouldn't trust your word now, to sell me a used napkin, please give the time in that video where he claims his hypothesis requires an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable and unevidenced magical superpowers? 

Take your time, I can wait.   Oh, no need to bother, it took less than ten seconds to find out that he's an atheist. 

I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest he is better placed, than you are, to understand whether his work evidences your sky wizard. 

I think the point he's trying to push is the idea the evil atheists try to escape his unproven fine tuning by pushing the multi verse be blah blah blah.....No evidence of sky wizards

[Sheldon]

I think the chief flaw is that his argument has logical leaps: intelligence exists, therefore it was deliberate, therefore it was designed. One might as easily claim, to paraphrase JBS Haldane, that the Universe exists because the Creator has a beetle fetish.

Boru

God: Seems to rather have an empty space fetish.

Not to mention the obsession such a deity would have had to have, for tinkering with dinosaur DNA for hundreds of millions of years. Drew expects us to imagine, that an unevidenced deity, that can create universes instantly from sheer will alone, using limitless supernatural powers, created one "fine tuned for life", with one species of evolved ape, as the main show. 

Paradoxically the only life we know of exist in an infinitesimally small speck, and the vast majority of that universe makes life impossible, plus this deity waited over nine billion years for the tiny solar system to emerge from the universe it created, then waited another 4.54 billion years, using evolution that kills of the vast majority of species, just to evolve one species of great ape, a mere 200k years ago. Not to mention the fact, that this universe Drew imagines is "fine tuned" for life, is going to destroy all that life, when the sun immolates our planet, in about a billion years. 

That's one hell of a plan, and calling it intelligent design, is a massive piece of irony. Parenthetically, if life were mere happenstance, and was no more significant than any other characteristic of that insentient universe, then that universe's indifference makes sense. 

It's a puzzle alright...

[Sheldon]

Whilst I wouldn't trust your word now, to sell me a used napkin, please give the time in that video where he claims his hypothesis requires an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable and unevidenced magical superpowers? 

Take your time, I can wait.   Oh, no need to bother, it took less than ten seconds to find out that he's an atheist. 

I am going to go out on a limb here, and suggest he is better placed, than you are, to understand whether his work evidences your sky wizard. 

I think the point he's trying to push is the idea the evil atheists try to escape his unproven fine tuning by pushing the multi verse be blah blah blah.....No evidence of sky wizards

Oh, those fucking atheists, and their egregious false dichotomy fallacies, they make my piss boil.  

Oh wait, it's Drew who is presenting the false dichotomy fallacy, as a choice between the multiverse hypothesis, and his unevidenced magic sky wizard, yes? 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

By that ‘logic’ a municipal sewer is supernatural because it’s an extreme example of a pit toilet.

You’re an idiot.

Boru

And just think yesterday you didn't know how to spell idiot and now you're using it in a sentence. Bravo.

I used the American spelling so as not to confuse you even more.

And I look forward to the day when you learn the difference between its and it's.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

God: Seems to rather have an empty space fetish.

Not to mention the obsession such a deity would have had to have, for tinkering with dinosaur DNA for hundreds of millions of years. Drew expects us to imagine, that an unevidenced deity, that can create universes instantly from sheer will alone, using limitless supernatural powers, created one "fine tuned for life", with one species of evolved ape, as the main show. 

Paradoxically the only life we know of exist in an infinitesimally small speck, and the vast majority of that universe makes life impossible, plus this deity waited over nine billion years for the tiny solar system to emerge from the universe it created, then waited another 4.54 billion years, using evolution that kills of the vast majority of species, just to evolve one species of great ape, a mere 200k years ago. Not to mention the fact, that this universe Drew imagines is "fine tuned" for life, is going to destroy all that life, when the sun immolates our planet, in about a billion years. 

That's one hell of a plan, and calling it intelligent design, is a massive piece of irony. Parenthetically, if life were mere happenstance, and was no more significant than any other characteristic of that insentient universe, then that universe's indifference makes sense. 

It's a puzzle alright...

I'm not remotely a god or an engineer, but I feel certain I could work out a better system. Hell, I'm sure I could design a better universe. I'd start with more photons, for one thing...

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And just think yesterday you didn't know how to spell idiot and now you're using it in a sentence. Bravo.

Be fucking careful what buttons you push, junior.

Some staff are FAR more tolerant than I am.

I appreciate the support, luv, but Drew is about as troublesome in my world as a cloudy day - he couldn't push my buttons with both hands, an operator's manual, and live tech support.

Boru