resistance is futile, you will be assimilated

[Nay_Sayer]

I find you to be a boring troll. Everything you do has been done before.

What I'd like to know is your actual thoughts behind the facade, but I dream

have you ever seen an atheist rebutted by a believer?

have you ever seen a real proof of God before?

what facade are you referring to?

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My god is the only true god.  May FSM unharden your heart.

[SubtleVirtue]

have you ever seen an atheist rebutted by a believer?

have you ever seen a real proof of God before?

what facade are you referring to?

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My god is the only true god.  May FSM unharden your heart.

quote their wins, and I will rebutt

there is only one universe, it's alive, some people worship it.

I don't, I worship beauty and morality. I think 'my god' is supremely worthy of worship. As what we worship we tend to emulate.

[Nay_Sayer]

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[Paleophyte]

Yes, the minerals form from the cooling of lava. That's what lava is, liquid mineral.

No, atoms don't stop decaying just because you heat them. The minerals stop recording the decay product above a certain temperature. So the decay product still happens but all trace of it is lost. Above the closure temperature all record of the decay is erased.

closure temperature has nothing to do with decay...

That's correct. Closure temperature is the temperature at which the mineral begins to preserve the record of the decay. Without closure, the daughter product just wanders off into the rest of the rock and your radiometric clock doesn't record a time. Your mineral might as well have been formed yesterday.

[Paleophyte]

No idea, but it doesn't look like much.

connective tissue is big

Not according to the papers that I read, which described cell fragments, biomolecules, and maybe a blood vessel if you squinted just right and held your head the right way.

[Nay_Sayer]

I don't exactly keep up, but didn't scientists recently re-date some Australopithecus fossils using new techniques?

[Paleophyte]

It kinda does. That the reason in fact, it’s called ‘closure temperature’.

Boru

it refers to isotopes moving out of the mineral, not to decay of the isotopes

That's right, but it refers to the ability of the mineral to preserve a record of the decay. The decay will still happen, but without closure, the mineral can't preserve a record of it having happened and that means that you can't measure it. Think of it like a society without historians. Sure, they'll still have history, but without a preserved record we won't know what it was.

[Paleophyte]

It would appear that our sample of SubtleVirchewium has decayed to inert Trollon via the BanHammer pathway.

[Tonus]

It gets tired, seeing the same approach taken over and over. Assume a shitload of presuppositions, then demand that human knowledge and discovery disprove those presuppositions, all while claiming that the nature of the god in question cannot be found through any means other than imagination. Misuse words like "theory," "evidence" and "proof" to pretend that the issue is settled. Dissemble and obfuscate when the obvious problems with the approach are explained.

Does this approach actually work for the believer? I believed as long as I did because I deliberately shielded myself from any discussion that would threaten my worldview. When I tried to work out a reliable set of "proofs" for god... god fell apart comically fast. How can anyone expose themselves to logical, rational, critical thought and still cling to their presuppositions?

[Alan V]

It looks like we won't be assimilated after all.