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[Retorth]

So easily convinced as well...a shame...

[kittenshere]

yes its the only site I belive in within the entire internet.

Some might say that's a fairly stupid belief!

Kyu

Well but you see I have never been one to care what others think.

[Retorth]

Thats a good thing. But you should care about the accuracy of the documentation that you so firmly believe in.

[kittenshere]

Thats a good thing. But you should care about the accuracy of the documentation that you so firmly believe in.

Of course I do. Everything in it makes the bible make perfect since for once. I searched for ages trying to find anyting that made sense to me, I talked to God, that no one here belives in, in private and outloud asking for his help in understanding. My very next search brought me this website which I had never seen before. I never saw it in any of my searches before. so I think God played a part in me finding it. All my questions that I wondered about for so long was there. all of them, with complete common sense explanations and biblical verses too. The man who owns that site is not only a very wise man but he has alot of humor to him too. Its like a good book you just cant put down. I loved the site so much I made my own bible out of it. I printed the entire site and made books out of it. I was in agreement with every single thing I read on that site. Thats a rare thing. most site has something you dont agree with but not with this site. it was perfect.

[Tiberius]

Ray (owner of Bible Truths) has been battling stage IV terminal prostate cancer which metastasized a year ago throughout his skull, spine, arms, legs, shoulders, hips and pelvis. His PSA (which should be .0, or certainly no higher than 1 or 2) has risen from 107 last summer, to a staggering 740 by December, 2008.

He is under the extensive care of a local Naturopath, (who has two doctor's degrees) and is following a rather ponderous protocol involving nearly a hundred daily doses of a wide variety of supplements along with three daily ozone treatments and various other procedures.

Ray has deeply appreciated hearing from those who have known of his condition. But let it be known that Ray trusts in God for any healing, not in supplements.

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So let me get this straight. The guy is suffering from cancer, and is taking his medication (good for him). However, he doesn't trust the medication, but instead expects God to cure him.

You see, this is how it will play out. If Ray survives, it won't be through the medical help (even though he accepts it!), it'll be because "God healed him". If Ray wasn't such a hypocrite, he would simply not take any of the supplements and put all his trust in "God". Methinks that Ray knows God has nothing to do with the healing process, and that without the medication he takes, he would be dead very quickly.

[Retorth]

Of course I do. Everything in it makes the bible make perfect since for once.

Really? All the killings....the stories of parting seas and turning water into blood makes, I quote, "perfect sense", to you?

[kittenshere]

yes he is dying with cancer. well God does heal people. Ray is a genius. Ray is not a hypocrite becuase he takes medicine. If you understood you would realize he is following the bible. There is a verse telling us he put doctors here to help us. we are suppose to go see them. I found that in my bible one day yrs ago while skimming through it. I always thought it was stupid peple didnt go to doctors. It is peoples ridiculous misunderstanding of the bible that makes the bible seem so stupid. WE ARE TO GO TO DOCTORS AND GOD SAID SO. I dont know which verse right now but it is definately in the bible becuase I read it yrs ago with my own two eyes.

[Retorth]

You see, this is how it will play out. If Ray survives, it won't be through the medical help (even though he accepts it!), it'll be because "God healed him". If Ray wasn't such a hypocrite, he would simply not take any of the supplements and put all his trust in "God". Methinks that Ray knows God has nothing to do with the healing process, and that without the medication he takes, he would be dead very quickly.

Why am I not surprised..Everytime something good happens in a Christian's life, they always praise god...and if something bad happens, they say its "in god's plan". Stop living in oblivion and wake up for goodness sake. You want to succeed in life, you WORK hard..praying doesn't do anything. You can pray for success but if you sit around eating doughnuts and watching tv everyday, you'll still live a sad little life. All that matters is that YOU make life what YOU want it to be.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Some might say that's a fairly stupid belief

Well but you see I have never been one to care what others think.

Some would say that's fairly fucking stupid too! I mean "the only site" you trust "on the entire internet" ... I maintain a healthy degree of caution over all sites and some in particular but "the only site on the internet"? Since when was belief in something out of stubbornness and idiocy something to be proud of?

Kyu

[Tiberius]

yes he is dying with cancer. well God does heal people. Ray is a genius. Ray is not a hypocrite becuase he takes medicine. If you understood you would realize he is following the bible. There is a verse telling us he put doctors here to help us. we are suppose to go see them. I found that in my bible one day yrs ago while skimming through it. I always thought it was stupid peple didnt go to doctors. It is peoples ridiculous misunderstanding of the bible that makes the bible seem so stupid. WE ARE TO GO TO DOCTORS AND GOD SAID SO. I dont know which verse right now but it is definately in the bible becuase I read it yrs ago with my own two eyes.

Then why does Ray say he trusts in God rather than medicine for healing? It's very hypocritical to teach that the Bible says you should use medicine, and then say you don't actually "trust" medicine but think that God is going to heal you. All it looks like to the skeptic is a chance to say "Oh look, God cured me!" even though it was actually the medicine that did so.