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The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
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The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm
The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?

Rhetoric is described as language that is not honest, sincere, or meaningful.

I am French. French has no word that equates to freedom or free will as understood by the English. This makes freedom and land of the free pure rhetorical statements and basically a dishonest statement. These terms are ideas or a reality that are impossible to have.

Freedom and free will then just becomes something that I would name as liberty. Liberty is described as permission especially to go freely within specified limits. That says to me that we are only free to follow the rules of society and those in power.

That being the case, is land of the free a true and meaningful expression?

Would it be more accurate to say land of liberty to follow the rules?

Free will is defined as freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.

Free will translates to being your own master and not having your will hampered by any outside influence not of your choosing.

Does any law or divine command negate free will, freedom of choice and the notion of a ---- Land of the free?

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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 2:46 am
Land of the free?
I know such one land. One that takes it's name from freedom.
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 4:05 am
Formally land of the free, replaced by 'have you got a green card?' And 'you can't come in after that twitter message'

Sounds wonderful, doesn't it. 'land of the free'. But it's a crock of shit as civil liberties have dwindled in the last 50 years.
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 4:43 am
(May 7, 2012 at 4:05 am)5thHorseman Wrote: Formally land of the free, replaced by 'have you got a green card?' And 'you can't come in after that twitter message'

Sounds wonderful, doesn't it. 'land of the free'. But it's a crock of shit as civil liberties have dwindled in the last 50 years.

Well, you can't let everyone inside of your borders and give them a place to live. Immigration is an issue that not everyone is okay with. Neither am I, when it comes to my own country. But I guess that the difference lies in the fact that the US was built by immigrants, for immigrants.
But now, the grandsons of these immigrants are rather "natives" of the land of some sort and do not want others to live on the same rock.
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 5:47 am
Quote:The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?

That depends entirely on where one happens to be in the food chain.Thinking
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 10:36 am
'Land of the Free' has never been "free" in the 50 odd years I've know of it.

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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 7, 2012 at 10:42 am
Trust me, I was born here. It aint free. It cost me a fucking fortune to live here!






(.......... and every other day some banker or politician rams his dick further up the American people's ass)
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Such is life in an oligarchy.

Thanks all.

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The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 12, 2012 at 8:34 pm
(May 7, 2012 at 10:42 am)Cinjin Wrote: Trust me, I was born here. It aint free. It cost me a fucking fortune to live here!






(.......... and every other day some banker or politician rams his dick further up the American people's ass)

Still waaay cheaper than Oz buddy.
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RE: The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
May 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm
It's now the Land of the Nowhere Near as Free as You Thought You Were.
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