There's no nicer way to say this but...

[el_presidente]

Why is it the state's job to "allow" marriage? The premise is ridiculous, but the reality of what happened in NC is a complete tragedy. We've got to stop operating on the assumption that legality comes from laws; we can't keep allowing government to decide what we do with our own lives. Every time we give more power over for something we want, we get shafted by the same government we empowered to do it. We have got to be a nation of limited government or this is what we'll get.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I don't see what the fucking problem is. Love is not just about sex.

Maybe. But it's a very important part of marriage.

What the fuck does it have to do with you, like seriously have to do with your life, if two people of the same sex who you don't even know, want to get married, because of the sole fact that they love each other.

If it were just two people. Besides, they surely can be in love without getting married? So what's the fucking point anyways? Love is not the issue here, and it never was.

This bigotry is ridiculous. And let's get this straight, I don't use the word bigot because you disagree with me. I use the word bigot because you are one.

Whatever, mang. As I said, many more people can direct this word towards you or me, as you obviously have your limits aswell.
Just wonder what these are, that's all.

I have no intention of having kids

And even if you did, it's really questionable how you'd raise them, really.

A number of people here actually have kids before getting married.

I certainly oppose that too, I won't lie. I'd rather have pregnancies outside of marriage to end in a nice marriage, if not, it should not happen at all.

You still haven't given a good answer to how gays getting married affects you personally.

I did. Maybe you should read my posts more carefully. It affects society, therefore it affects me.
Well, not exactly me, as I live far away from where you live, so it doesn't affect me directly. I'm opposed to the concept of gays marrying in general, not if they have the right to marry in the US or not.
I know for damn sure that this comedia will not play in my country, as we're obviously not "modernized" enough for this sort of crap to happen in our country.

How can it? It's got fuck all to do with you.

Does it? But I guess the fact that we(the normal people) have the privilage to marry has everything the fuck to do with gays, as they want the same privilages. They are very uncomfortable with the fact that there are certain things before society that differentiate us from them. That is why they want to get married. Not because they're in love, not because they want to share property. Because they want to agitate normal society, that's it. They want traditional marital values to end, so that they can feel more normal about themselves. The same reason why they want to adopt children. I've said this about a few times now.

You have no idea of what anecdotal stories are do you? But hey you hear that?
Woooooooooshhhhhh!

I know what an anecdote is.

Your definition of bigotry is also wrong. Use it then, see if I care

Just as I care if you call me a bigot. My words are out in the open.

You know, insults really don't work on me, but by all means do your worse, it still doesn't make you less of a bigot.

I don't use vulgar insults unless I really want to.

Why is it the state's job to "allow" marriage? The premise is ridiculous, but the reality of what happened in NC is a complete tragedy. We've got to stop operating on the assumption that legality comes from laws; we can't keep allowing government to decide what we do with our own lives. Every time we give more power over for something we want, we get shafted by the same government we empowered to do it. We have got to be a nation of limited government or this is what we'll get.

You get your benefits from the state. The state is responsible for protecting the family and marriage. For these are essential to the future of the state itself, sorry.
The government sometimes has to engage into social engineering on it's part, just like you try to do so, by trying to normalize homosexuality.

[Minimalist]

To reply to Annik--No but GOD did and does.

Bigotry and hatred are clearly xtian "values

No, it is called democracy in action. Democracy applies to all and to be exercised by all. Have you noticed how the homosexual community, every time it doesn't get its spoiled way, circumvents the democratic process in order to force their desire son those who have democratically rejected their proposals?

Your anger should be directed at them for undermining freedom and democracy.

No, my anger is correctly directed at bigoted xtian fucks who think that a line in a useless old book of superstition is sufficient justification to deny people their civil rights.

[Tiberius]

Why should their sin be legitimized? The homosexual community in choosing topursue their sexual preference rejected the normal way of life why should they be entitled to receive anyof the benefits that come with that normal life?

It's only sin in religion's eyes. To everyone else, it's very simply two people who love each other, wanting to express their love and share the same benefits that opposite-sex married people have.

Humanity itself has rejected the "normal way of life". We fly around at 700 mph in metal tubes, use light to transmit vast amounts of data, and have designed so many types of clothing we have to separate them into "seasonal fashions". How is any of that normal?!? Everyone is different; we have different beliefs, different values, different needs, different loves, different hopes, different dreams, and the sooner we realise that, the sooner we can work towards a society which understands that one cannot be free and democratic if you are voting on motions which will restrict and limit the freedoms of people other than yourself.

You are allowing the homosexual community to have its cake and eat it too. That is never a good situation and demonstrates favortism for sinful and wrongbehavior. Nothing good comes from a union beteen homosexuals, why let it continue?

How can it demonstrate favouritism when opposite-sex couples already can get married? It cannot. Put yourself in their shoes; what if things were different, and believers like yourself were not allowed to get married? Didn't the Bible (and Jesus) have some very telling things to say about how to treat others?

I hold that good can come from a union between two men, or two women, because such a union is based on the same kind of love that you can get between a man and a woman. Love is a good thing, a marriage is a celebration of love to many people, and it is unfair to say that two people in love cannot get married because of something so petty as their gender.

How is allowing gay marriage for the better?

It is more equal than simply designating marriage as something only a man and a woman can have.

You are just like the California homosexual community. You and they are only happy and support democracy when its results are in your favor but when it goes against you then it is ridiculous, wrong, and influenced by religion.

How is that any different to what you are doing here? Everyone does this; it is the one weakness of democracy, especially when democracy is used to try and dictate morality. We end up with a morality decided by the majority, which is rarely a good thing.

You forget that people have free choice and they are allowed to freely choose against same sex marriage. Atheists do not have a monopoly on free will or choice. If you have to win each time then you are not advocating democracy but dictatorship in your and thehomosexual's favor. That is not right for their are more people living in a democracy than just atheists and gays.

You forget that people's free choice is influenced by many factors, in this case, the church and their religious beliefs. There are no logical reasons to prevent gay marriage, only ones based on deeply held (and selfish) religious beliefs.

[Annik]

If it were just two people. Besides, they surely can be in love without getting married? So what's the fucking point anyways? Love is not the issue here, and it never was.

Okay, you are now never allowed to marry the person you love. That should be fine, right? No. It's ludicrous. People in love want to be married.

And even if you did, it's really questionable how you'd raise them, really.

I worry about how your kids will be raised.

I certainly oppose that too, I won't lie. I'd rather have pregnancies outside of marriage to end in a nice marriage, if not, it should not happen at all.

What if a woman wants a child, but doesn't want a husband? And by the way, your sexism upsets me. Fuck you. I don't need a husband because I'm weak. I don't need a husband at all.

I did. Maybe you should read my posts more carefully. It affects society, therefore it affects me.
Well, not exactly me, as I live far away from where you live, so it doesn't affect me directly. I'm opposed to the concept of gays marrying in general, not if they have the right to marry in the US or not.
I know for damn sure that this comedia will not play in my country, as we're obviously not "modernized" enough for this sort of crap to happen in our country.

So, you're against basic human rights. Gotcha.

Does it? But I guess the fact that we(the normal people) have the privilage to marry has everything the fuck to do with gays, as they want the same privilages. They are very uncomfortable with the fact that there are certain things before society that differentiate us from them. That is why they want to get married. Not because they're in love, not because they want to share property. Because they want to agitate normal society, that's it. They want traditional marital values to end, so that they can feel more normal about themselves. The same reason why they want to adopt children. I've said this about a few times now.

Homosexuals want to marry for the same reasons everyone else wants to get married. Next you'll be telling me the Jews are evil and that's why it's okay to starve them to death.

You get your benefits from the state. The state is responsible for protecting the family and marriage. For these are essential to the future of the state itself, sorry.
The government sometimes has to engage into social engineering on it's part, just like you try to do so, by trying to normalize homosexuality.

The state is responsible for it's pocketbook. Have no illusions, government has not cared for the good of the people in a long time. Additionally, homosexuality is normal. We see it often in nature. The politicians are just trying to save their own asses so they can get re-elected.

[Tobie]

It affects society, therefore it affects me.

Being anti-gay because it affects society is a stupid position to hold -
Everything effects society in some way. So, Mehmet, unless you are against everything, come up with actual reasons for your bigotry.

[Minimalist]

come up with actual reasons for your bigotry.

I bet this is where we hear about fucking allah....just like the jesus freaks trot out their fairy godboy for such occasions.

[Ace Otana]

And even if you did, it's really questionable how you'd raise them, really.

How I was raised. Free to make up my own mind and be who I want to be. Love and care with plenty of knowledge and wisdom at hand.

I certainly oppose that too, I won't lie. I'd rather have pregnancies outside of marriage to end in a nice marriage, if not, it should not happen at all.

I don't oppose it, because it has nothing to do with me. Marriages can make such an awful mess should it go wrong, legal matters and all. Not to mention the expense. I don't quite like the idea of marriage.

I know for damn sure that this comedia will not play in my country, as we're obviously not "modernized" enough for this sort of crap to happen in our country.

Yeah, you're a little behind. Don't worry, you'll catch up eventually. You need to keep up with the times and be more tolerant.

[DeistPaladin]

[quote]FUCK NORTH CAROLINA!!!!

Way to go NC!!

Fuck you and your Jesus too!

Why should their sin be legitimized? The homosexual community in choosing topursue their sexual preference rejected the normal way of life why should they be entitled to receive anyof the benefits that come with that normal life?

Why should your goofy religion be legitimized? End tax breaks for Churches now!

How about we pass an amendment banning Christian marriage. Marriage shall be defined as a union between two non-Christians. Now how's it feel?

Remember, as you suffer the brunt of legal descrimination, it's not you we hate but your goofy beliefs. Just end your irrational ways and become an ex-Christian.

And unlike with ex-gays, ex-Christians remain ex-Christians.

You are allowing the homosexual community to have its cake and eat it too. That is never a good situation and demonstrates favortism for sinful and wrongbehavior. Nothing good comes from a union beteen homosexuals, why let it continue?

Fuck you and your goofy beliefs. PROVE WHAT YOU SAY OR GO FUCK YOURSELF you ignorant deluded red-neck, slope browed, kunckle-dragging dumbass.

How is allowing gay marriage for the better?

Because it's called equal treatment under the law you dumbass.

You are just like the California homosexual community. You and they are only happy and support democracy when its results are in your favor but when it goes against you then it is ridiculous, wrong, and influenced by religion.

It's called the Constitution. Go read it. Amendment 14, section 1. Read it and weep.

You don't like it. Go to Iran! They have goofy religious laws there. Sure, it's Muslim laws but one goofy religion is as good as any other.

You forget that people have free choice and they are allowed to freely choose against same sex marriage. Atheists do not have a monopoly on free will or choice. If you have to win each time then you are not advocating democracy but dictatorship in your and thehomosexual's favor. That is not right for their are more people living in a democracy than just atheists and gays.

You have no right to vote on the liberty of others. Sorry, but that's what the Constitution says. Read some book other than the Bible sometime you idiot.

And don't whine about my tone you fucktard. Your post that drips with bigotry against me has been officially paid in kind.

Now go fuck yourself.

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To reply to Annik--No but GOD did and does.

Bigotry and hatred are clearly xtian "values

No, it is called democracy in action. Democracy applies to all and to be exercised by all. Have you noticed how the homosexual community, every time it doesn't get its spoiled way, circumvents the democratic process in order to force their desire son those who have democratically rejected their proposals?

Your anger should be directed at them for undermining freedom and democracy.

It's called the "Constitution" you fucktard. You don't get to vote on the freedoms of others.

[Cinjin]

Thank you DP!
I was starting to feel alone in my disgust of that cretin.