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[Retorth]

I was based there when Lee was on the throne.(at Selerang barracks)

That is an awfully long time ago You are right about those observations, however. Did you know Amazon.com actually has a list of items that are returned to them from Singapore customs? Bizarre, huh! I'm not complaining though...censorship can be a good thing But I just think there is a limit to how much censorship is acceptable.

I think it's a tricky question in all...a lot of specifics have to been laid out.

[Kyuuketsuki]

A social standard has to begin with individual standards. The average individual standard becomes the social standard. This standard is then copied from generation to generation, with little shift in the standard. However, this does not mean that the social standard is the right thing.

I entirely disagree (*although I understand where you're coming from) ... social standards begin with TWO or more people because with only one person there are none, it's a group thing.

Take for example, male supremacy. It was (and is in many countries) created by a social standard... but it was and is horribly wrong. As is slavery, rape, torture, the corset... those were and in some places are social standards... but they are in no way right. And children is where this standard is established with each generation. If you don't make nudity, sex, and language into something inappropriate: it will not be inappropriate.

I don't think male supremacy is established by social standard, I think it was establish on violence and brute strength i.e. men (on average) are bigger, fitter, more agile etc. than women

And I take exception to the corset thing ... corsets are awesome (though I concede they don't look so good on me)! Where would my favourite Goth look be without corsets?

I would make every detail of myself public, if i did not fear the ramifications of doing so in our current climate. I aim to change that climate so that i can be myself without fear within it, and so that others can know me for who i am. So yes, i would make every detail about myself public, if others would accept that knowledge without condemning me to a worse life.

And therein lies the problem, you're taking an idealistic POV and in a social setting that doesn't work ... some people need protecting from society, society needs protecting from some people and as such some degree of censorship is not only necessary but desirable ... the question is (or should be) where do we draw the line i.e. what is censored, what is not and why?

Do i fear others knowing about who i am? Not at all. Do i feel it would be unwise for them to know who i am while they are still so full of prejudice to everything i am? Certainly.

Charming! Very idealistic. Can I have your bank details as you are censoring me from having those?

Kyu

[fr0d0]

There is a great deal of change that is needed in many places on Earth... and i have many fantastic changes planned (beneficial to large portions of Earth's human and in some cases other animal populations, though perhaps not right for everyone) that could be implemented... yet no power to do so. But that will change.

Put my mind at ease about this please Saerules

[Tiberius]

Is the issue government censorship or personal censorship? Obviously we all have secrets, so personal censorship (if you want to call it that) is a good thing. It keeps us safe, secure, etc.

Government censorship is a bad thing, because the government should have no say on what we can say. It's just another way of controlling people. There should be no laws concerning censorship whatsoever; people should be free to choose how much censorship they put on their own family.

[LukeMC]

Freedom of speech is our most important ideal, and thus it must be protected.

Yes, there should be limits to protect people (i.e. no swearing on TV before the watershed)

However I see no reason why people should be censored in what they say.

No reason why people should be censored in what they say, unless they wanna say fuck?


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I hate the idea of "swear words". We can say poo, poop, dung, manure, crap, mess, waste, pap, cack, soil, turd and muck, but not shit? We can wee, pee, tiddle, piddle, drizzle, leak and urinate, but not piss? We can cover our bum, tush, hiney and backside but God forbid we cover our arses. And when I need the toilet I can pull out my tail, toddler, penis, wanger, willy, widgey, schlong, doo-daa, dingaling, todger or my *whistles*, but I'd be oucast if I slung out my dick, cock, nob or prick. And don't we all love how the subtle difference between ones teets and ones tits warrants censorship? Bitch is a dog and cock is a chicken, Dick is richard and I sometimes prick my fingers. These words aren't inherently dirty words, and are no more "ugly sounding" than any other words.

Stephen Pinker (psychologist) has given speeches and written a lot about what we can learn from human language. It appears we have a distate for our bodily fluids and sexual/excretory acts/organs. The pattern in swear words tends towards our shit and piss, our dicks, arses and cunts, fucking each other and bloody hell do we make religious reference. Jesus Christ.


Alas, society will do what society does. As pointless as this entire endeavour is.

[Violet]

I hadn't thought of personal censorship in that way before, but i completely agree with you guys about it. But this is why i want feedback from rational people... who don't refuse to discuss controversial subjects with me

[Edwardo Piet]

You got it

EvF

[IowaBoy]

The FCC only supports on ones that go "OMG HE SAID SHIT!! Get the holly water!" If not then well you gonna have to pay $50 mo. to watch the shows that are ran by the smartest people on earth that do not care what the up tight toe fue fartin fairys say.

[Violet]

OMG! YOU INSULTED THE TOFU FAIRIES?! NOW ALL YOUR MEAT WILL TURN INTO TOFU, I HOPE YOU ENJOY LIVING WITHOUT MEAT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

[leo-rcc]

I had a conversation with an Irishman in Manchester saturday, and he explained to me why Irishmen use the word fuck like the Smurfs use the word smurf in their sentences. It's basically because its something they have no emotional commitment too, and because it pisses English people off.

I am not sure that I accept the whole explanation, since we both were quite drunk at the time, but it is at least plausible.