Colorado Copycat.

[Jackalope]

The black market is created, by poor gun control. You can buy an m-60 in Kentucky (with no form of a permit) and stroll into any major city and sell it.

Really. Please explain how regulation of full auto firearms (as your example claims) is "poor". Do you have any idea what the requirements are under NFA 1934? Or the effect of FOPA 1986?

There may well be a black market for full auto firearms in the US, but its not a result of diversion from civilian-legal sources.

[cratehorus]

The black market is created, by poor gun control. You can buy an m-60 in Kentucky (with no form of a permit) and stroll into any major city and sell it.

Really. Please explain how regulation of full auto firearms (as your example claims) is "poor". Do you have any idea what the requirements are under NFA 1934? Or the effect of FOPA 1986?

There may well be a black market for full auto firearms in the US, but its not a result of diversion from civilian-legal sources.

Please explain how this is full regulation of firearms...... dumbass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X_JuKcjmf4

[Shell B]

When was the last time you tried to buy a fully automatic weapon, crate? Just going off what you read? Sheep.

[cratehorus]

When was the last time you tried to buy a fully automatic weapon, crate? Just going off what you read? Sheep.

what are you saying straw purchases no longer happen... I didn't know that?

[Shell B]

And that is illegal, so how is gun law failing in that regard?

I'm certainly not saying regulation is perfect, but we have to, at some point, realize that if something is against the law and people do it anyway, it is not the law that is lacking. It is people.

[Jackalope]

Really. Please explain how regulation of full auto firearms (as your example claims) is "poor". Do you have any idea what the requirements are under NFA 1934? Or the effect of FOPA 1986?

There may well be a black market for full auto firearms in the US, but its not a result of diversion from civilian-legal sources.

Please explain how this is full regulation of firearms...... dumbass

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X_JuKcjmf4

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In case you missed the point (you did), you claimed the black market was a result of poor gun control, citing the availability of M-60's (which are full auto) in Kentucky.

You are mistaken. Full autos in the US, while legal in some states, are heavily regulated under Federal law. Are you under the impression that private citizens can walk into a gun store, purchase a machinegun on the spot, and the sell it at their pleasure on the streets, legally or otherwise?

If "M-60s" are available on the streets of any city in the it isn't a result of lax regulation (because the regulations are far from lax), but something else.

Now, if you were talking about something other than full auto firearms, you might have a point. But in that case your comment about M-60s was ignorant hyperbole at best.

Dumbass, indeed.

[cratehorus]

33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.

The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations." All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations.

The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."

Those seeking to close the "Gun Show Loophole" argue that it provides convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as "mental defectives," etc.) with opportunities to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no accountability or oversight.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_i...ted_States

[Jackalope]

Please explain what this...

33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.

Has to do with this...

You can buy an m-60 in Kentucky (with no form of a permit) and stroll into any major city and sell it.

I'll give you a hint. The first quote is true. The second quote is false.

[cratehorus]

Please explain what this...

33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.

Has to do with this...

You can buy an m-60 in Kentucky (with no form of a permit) and stroll into any major city and sell it.

I'll give you a hint. The first quote is true. The second quote is false.

Are you saying they don't sell m-60's at gun shows?

[Jaysyn]

On a side note, I've always wondered what is going to happen when some guy either attempts to commit a massacre (or simply waves around a gun) and is shot at by some other gun toting American, what will the police do about it?

My guess is shoot both people, even if one (right or wrong) believed they were returning fire at the original attacker.

As long as it was a legally owned firearm, they'll get a newspaper article about them & no charges.

You hear about stuff like this about once a month where I am living.