Steak

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

They're tasty.

This.

Also - we are animals. Other animals eat other animals without ethical considerations (including those with higher intelligence). Suggesting that we are somehow different is also special pleading.

Pass the meat.

This is fallacious. It's appeal to nature fallacy. "Other animals do this therefore we can." It takes an is and turns it into an ought. You could justify murder and rape with your same argument.

[Jackalope]

Could be. Never claimed to be perfectly rational.

So, as I said, pass the meat.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

So much for critical thinking.

[Jackalope]

It takes an is and turns it into an ought.

This part I have a problem with. I never said we ought to eat meat. We're free to do so or not. It is, in my opinion, an amoral act.

In addition, rape and murder are unjustified because people don't generally wish to be murdered or raped, and therefore it's reasonable to not murder and rape others so that our desires would hopefully be respected.

Let me know when other animals are capable of respecting other animal's desires (including humans) to not be eaten.

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So much for critical thinking.

So, where, in your opinion, is it rational to draw the line?

[Minimalist]

You could justify murder and rape with your same argument.

Except animals do neither. Only humans...who then invent a "philosophy" to tell them that its all right.

[Cinjin]

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

It takes an is and turns it into an ought.

This part I have a problem with. I never said we ought to eat meat. We're free to do so or not. It is, in my opinion, an amoral act.

It is the case that some animals eat other animals, therefore we ought to be ok with the case that some animals eat other animals.

That's the reasoning underlying your argument.

In addition, rape and murder are unjustified because people don't generally wish to be murdered or raped, and therefore it's reasonable to not murder and rape others so that our desires would hopefully be respected.

Does the antelope desire to be eaten by the lion? Does the deer long to be shot by the hunter? Does the cow wish to be slaughtered?

Let me know when other animals are capable of respecting other animal's desires (including humans) to not be eaten.

Fallacy of appeal to hypocrisy.

So much for critical thinking.

So, where, in your opinion, is it rational to draw the line?

I don't know yet, I've just never seen a rational justification to kill animals to eat.

[Brian37]

This part I have a problem with. I never said we ought to eat meat. We're free to do so or not. It is, in my opinion, an amoral act.

It is the case that some animals eat other animals, therefore we ought to be ok with the case that some animals eat other animals.

That's the reasoning underlying your argument.

In addition, rape and murder are unjustified because people don't generally wish to be murdered or raped, and therefore it's reasonable to not murder and rape others so that our desires would hopefully be respected.

Does the antelope desire to be eaten by the lion? Does the deer long to be shot by the hunter? Does the cow wish to be slaughtered?

Let me know when other animals are capable of respecting other animal's desires (including humans) to not be eaten.

Fallacy of appeal to hypocrisy.

So, where, in your opinion, is it rational to draw the line?

I don't know yet, I've just never seen a rational justification to kill animals to eat.

We need plants for oxygen and we still kill them. As cute as seals are and as much as humans react to a great white eating them, seals eat living fish,

I eat meat and if you want me to give it up just because of your own emotional raction to an evolution that wont conform to your utopia. please excuse me while I barf at your Purple Barny after school logic.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

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We need plants for oxygen and we still kill them. As cute as seals are and as much as humans react to a great white eating them, seals eat living fish,

I eat meat and if you want me to give it up just because of your own emotional raction to an evolution that wont conform to your utopia. please excuse me while I barf at your Purple Barny after school logic.

Plants aren't conscious beings. And more appeal to nature and hypocrisy. Nice going.

I've expressed no emotional arguments against eating meat. It is in fact you who have expressed emotional reactions. Logic apparently sickens you.

[Jackalope]

So, where, in your opinion, is it rational to draw the line?

I don't know yet, I've just never seen a rational justification to kill animals to eat.

I've never felt that one was necessary. It's my view that we (in the developed world, where food is abundant) only take it under consideration because we are successful enough that we can afford to.

Can we apply the same standards of morality to say, the people of Somalia?

I believe the question is necessarily subjective.